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elevation
05-19-2008, 09:13 AM
I lay in bed early Sunday morning and am getting constant text messages "encouraging" me to come out for a one nighter ride to Big White and back. Eventually I caved in and put my stuff together and headed out. I would catch up to the group either in Pemberton or Lilloet. I filled up at the Westridge/Westmount Chevron. I would have enough gas to make it to Lilloet on one tank. The S2S was not as bad as last year. Now the traffic is the worst thing about it and not the condition of the road. Squamish to Whistler was heavily congested as well. I only saw a few police cruisers from Squish to Whistler. Once I passed the Whistler city limits thought it would be smooth sailing up until Duffey. Nope. Five Police cruisers were making sure to keep things "safe". I don't think my speedo read over 100up until I reached Duffey. As I approached Duffey Lake Road I prepared myself for the assualt on my bike and myself. Despite the rough pavement I was still able to average a good rate of speed. I sure you have all read the various posts about the conditions of Duffey Lake Road so I will spare you my similar opinion. One thing I completely forgot about the road was just how beautiful it was. The scenery is spectacular and I did find myself slowing down to enjoy it. Nearing Lilloet I know I am only about 20min behind my buddies so it will be good to catch up to them.

This is the point where it literally goes downhill from here... :surrender

I am about 13kms from Lilloet when I notice my ABS light flashing and my tachometer is acting odd. At this time I am coming down the first of many ultra steep declines with 180 degree corners. Just for added fun the pavement is now replaced by dirt and my bike has the equivilent of a seizure. All the lights on my dash are flashing and my bike is losing power. Trying to focus on the road and the bike, I realise that I am going to have a seizure if I can't focus. I shut the bike down, pull the clutch in and coast around the corner (still managing a wave at the cruisers going through!). I put it into neutral and continue my descent down into Lilloet. After 10 kilometers of coasting I start to feel like I am just going to coast into Lilloet! How cool would that be! Keeping my speed up I am reaching the 3km marker to Lilloet when the road decides to go flat. For fun I get to deal with a 1-3% incline so it a pain in the ass to try and 'Fred Flinstone' it. I pull over and start checking on my fuses and none of have blown. Shit. I quickly realise that this is not an easy fix and I am stuck here. By the time I figure this out a truck comes by and offers his help. I asked him if he could just go into town and track down my buddies. He gives me a can of Coke and off he goes. Not two minutes later a guy on a cruiser comes by and offers to give me a ride into town. As I am coming into town I see my buddies heading out to meet me. I give them the details and I wait it out at some place called Lou's. There are several other familiar riders there, so it that was good. Evan (BELDAR), Mark (fjr-eh), and a few others stay with me until we figure out a solution. My buddies come back (coincidently, one of them is my mechanic!) and they tell me that I am completely 100% SOL'ed. Well it looks like I get to use my BCAA membership. My bike is now at the lightfoot gas station and I send the tow truck there. Evan, and the others move on now that I am taken care of but Mark stays back as I may need to be two up'ed from Whistler to home. With my BCAA membership I get 160kms of free towing. If I was to use up the entire 160kms it would get me to somewhere between Whistler and Squamish. Mark has a friend in Whistler where my bike can stay the night. So we stick with that plan for now.

After about 40mins two tow trucks show up from TNT automotive, a flat deck and regular tow truck. We load the bike up onto the flat deck and secure it. Looking at the truck, it seems like overkill having my bike loaded up full size truck with a 20 ft flat deck. Mark goes on ahead and will meet me in Whistler. I get into the truck and off we go back down the Duffey :banghead. Now, we all thought we had it rough going through the Duffey... It is TEN TIMES WORSE in a full sized truck with dualies. The entire time it felt like I was riding in a 7.4 magnitude earthquake. Meanwhile every fifteen minutes or so, the rear tire of my bike starts slipping back and forth. The driver is kind enough to stop and tighten down every time is starts to move. Nearing Pemberton we make a deal to take my bike right to the Westport\Westridge Chevron in West Van. This will save me a trip to Whistler tommorow. I call Mark and tell him to push on ahead. Once we reach better pavement the trip is alot smoother and we are making good time. I have a greater understanding for all large truck drivers. What is a simple twist of the wrist up a hill for me is a complex guage of momentum, downshifting, and braking them.

The next slow down we have is a R1 rider doing exactly the speedlimit on the S2S. I laugh and explain why to the driver and he understands. Then I quickly start to depise the R1 rider. Upon every passing zone the rider lets all the cars pass then at the last second when there is only 100M left of the passing lane, R1 idiot zips ahead and gets in front of everyone. The R1 idiot does this all the way up to the Horseshoe Bay Ferry Terminal. We pass the R1 F'ing idiot later on the upper levels. He/She was riding a dark red R1 with a red and white skull helmet, what a tool! :2guns :gun

Upon reaching the gas station, we unload the bike, I pay the guy, and off he goes. Took us about 3.5 hours but Robin of TNT automotive did a great job securing the bike and getting me close to home. About 15 minutes later, my girlfriend came by and took me and my broken ass bike home. What a day!

A huge thanks to Mark for helping me out. Finding a place to park my bike for the night and offering to two up me home from Whistler was extremely generous. The biggest hero of the day was my BCAA card. If I did not have it and I had my bike towed to Vancouver, it would have been a $900+ bill. With my BCAA Plus membership it only cost me about $200. My $120 membership has paid for itself for the next five years of renewals. If I had the Premium membership it would have been FREE! Those of you that don't have BCAA might want to reconsider. Another bonus of having a BCAA memebership is the $7 to $10 off hotel/motel stays. It adds up! Needless to say my BCAA membership has paid off very well.

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riceman
05-19-2008, 09:58 AM
Sounds like stator or regulator failure; typical vfr faults. Your battery is probably drained as well.

Scorpion71
05-19-2008, 12:00 PM
Crappy deal Lee, at least it happened now and not on the trip down to Laguna.

heisenberg9
05-19-2008, 01:01 PM
If you run out of gas BCAA will put up to $20 of gas in your tank, as well with no charge.

MrCheeky
05-19-2008, 01:13 PM
Sorry to hear about your bike troubles, it could always be much worse!

I have posted similar comments on BCSB and for what it's worth, I had a 1997 VFR for 8 years (88,000km) and when I sold the bike, it was on it's 3rd regulator/rectifier. The first one went on me at Cambie/41st and the second at Kingsway/Edmonds. Lucky I was close to civilization. The bike seemed fine when I was on the throttle and had the revs going. As soon as I stopped and put my foot down, the bike died. No ignition, no horn, lights...nothing. The regulator/rectifier unit's heat dissipation is useless and likely the excess heat of this past weekend killed it on yours?

I really enjoyed the VFR but I hated having that niggling feeling in my head as to whether my bike was going to die somewhere between here and Mt Baker!

Life is much easier with my Daytona 650.

I hope the bike's repaired and you're riding soon.

silverD
05-19-2008, 01:14 PM
Yeah, let us know what it was Lee, my money's on the R/R...

elevation
05-19-2008, 01:55 PM
100% it's the regulator rectifier. I should have mentioned that in the post. It funny how you learn things about your bike when something happens. Almost everyone who had a VFR has told me about it now. What I believe accelerates the problem is the mod done to my headlights. The VFR takes standard H4 bulbs. The VFR only uses the low beam function on them as it as a seperate set of high beams. My bike H4 bulbs are wired to have the high beams on all the time (they are aimed down much lower). In the end I get more of a bright light aimed properly. However, I am learning that every little thing you mess with the bike will affect it some way some how. Just leave it stock! Is there a 'high output' or 'better quality' R/R I can buy? What are the details of these?

This is the 3rd time the battery has been drained. I thought it was something else but I just did not know enough at the time. A breakdown 250kms away from home will sure put that in my permanent memory. :) To have proper warning in the future I am going to have a LED voltmeter installed.

I always wondered why people put BCAA and CAA stickers on their vehicles. I think to myself why would people put such a stupid sticker on their car. Now I know why. All those people have probably saved at one time or another. Might have to put a tiny one on my bike somewhere.

~AP~
05-19-2008, 01:58 PM
Crappy deal Lee... Glad to hear that you had good people to take care of you and your bike and nothing worse happened. :) Maybe get an extra one of these parts and keep it handy with all of the long rides you do????

silverD
05-19-2008, 02:15 PM
Is there a 'high output' or 'better quality' R/R I can buy? What are the details of these?

I don't think so, but the newer ones are better than the older ones.

The newer ones have cooling fins and the older ones do not. It's heat that gets to them.

One thing you can do is glue a CPU cooling fan on to it, wired to your tail light or something .... That's supposed to help a lot....

Good luck with it..

anoxion
05-19-2008, 02:52 PM
I don't think so, but the newer ones are better than the older ones.

The newer ones have cooling fins and the older ones do not. It's heat that gets to them.

One thing you can do is glue a CPU cooling fan on to it, wired to your tail light or something .... That's supposed to help a lot....

Good luck with it..

yea, or use a CPU heat sink glued on with thermo glue. and carry a spare one with you for next time. same thing happened to me on my F2 while i was on my way to the ferry, made it on by pushing it, bumped it leaving the ferry and charged the battery on the other end before going home.

Slug87
05-19-2008, 07:03 PM
Man, what a day.

You were in such a good spirit in the morning at the westmount chevron.

My friends were late so I knew I would never catch up to you.
We U-Turn at the log jam.
I had a blast on Duffey. The only time I can overtake sport Bikes.
The road was in way better condition than 2 months ago.

Now I am almost sure that I saw the tow truck in the late afternoon.
On the S2S. I remember a bike on flat deck for sure. But it is too blur.

Look at the bright side. At least you did not get wet on your way home today ;-)

BCAA has been with me since day one I started riding. It totally makes sense.

riceman
05-19-2008, 07:28 PM
Is there a 'high output' or 'better quality' R/R I can buy? What are the details of these?


Two options. Ricks RR or Electrosport Industries RR. www.DennisKirk.com has them. I would check out the stator as well; since you'll have everything opened up. www.electrosport.com has a test guide. The stator is the other part that likes to burn up on the vfr's.

If this happens again, one trick is to pull the headlight fuse, get a boost and you might be able to ride for awhile until the battery completely dies. Did this and managed to get from Harrison Hot Springs to Colverdale before my battery died.

vfrdiscussion.com has some good pointers on vfr electrical problems.

Good luck.

J1k
05-19-2008, 07:44 PM
not sure if yours was in the catagory but i know that a certain yr vfr had a friendly recall/warranty on the stators if they went.also recently there is a wire harness recall on them as well.iam not sure what yrs are affected though.

elevation
05-19-2008, 07:56 PM
You were in such a good spirit in the morning at the westmount chevron.

My friends were late so I knew I would never catch up to you.
We U-Turn at the log jam.
I had a blast on Duffey. The only time I can overtake sport Bikes.
The road was in way better condition than 2 months ago.

Now I am almost sure that I saw the tow truck in the late afternoon.
On the S2S. I remember a bike on flat deck for sure. But it is too blur.

I was having a great time on the Duffey I would have been one sport bike you would not have caught! :evilgrin It was good to run into you again, too bad you can't make it to Laguna, but Europe sounds pretty good!




vfrdiscussion.com has some good pointers on vfr electrical problems.



I spent an hour there today reading all about this common issue 02' to 05' models have. Lots of good information. I will be installing a good R/R, voltmeter, and possibly a better stator. A good R/R is the main thing.

I will also have a new battery too... This one has taken too much abuse lately.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

jafkaf81
05-19-2008, 07:57 PM
ELEVATION--" As I am coming into town I see my buddies heading out to meet me. I give them the details and I wait it out at some place called Lou's. There are several other familiar riders there, so it that was good. Evan (BELDAR), Mark (fjr-eh), and a few others stay with me until we figure out a solution. My buddies come back (coincidently, one of them is my mechanic!) and they tell me that I am completely 100% SOL'ed." ,------- I just left as you showed up , we were riding with Evan's group , Pics are posted of the scenery you talked about , (in Beldars ride may 18th) , sounds like a crappy day except all the offers for help , It is a good feeling that people will take time to help a stranger as much as a friend , and kudos to Mark (fjr-eh), for offering to stay and help give you a lift home , although I am sure he wasn't too comfy with the idea of you snuggled up to his backside on such a rough road:laughing .

Fjr eh
05-19-2008, 09:37 PM
There a lots of good tips, here.
Worth the read.

http://www.ironbutt.com/tech/aow.cfm

Mark

Purplekawi
05-20-2008, 06:46 AM
BCAA is def a good thing to have. between hotel savings and the odd tow job, it's more then paid for itself the past 2 years i've had it. glad all turned out well for you. i had a BCAA tow operator do sorta the same thing your driver did for you. i had to use a wheel hoist and dollies on my car because it's lowered and he was only supposed to tow it so far and charge me $20 for the dollies but in the end we got to chatting and he towed me right to my house and didn't charge me a penny.

Duck
05-20-2008, 09:17 AM
I had to replace my R/R on my old honda as well, go for an aftermarket one that has a good heat synch on it! Stock honda ones don't have the heat foils that aftermarket ones have so you may end up burning one out again. I don't think the aftermarket ones are much more $$, but you probably already know from researching. G.

J_Scott
05-20-2008, 09:45 AM
You need a good ole reliable Ducati. ;)

Duck
05-20-2008, 10:17 AM
You need a good ole reliable Ducati. ;)

I thought ducati = crap,.....

oh wait, my bad, my ride = crap

J_Scott
05-20-2008, 10:17 AM
I thought ducati = crap,.....

oh wait, my bad, my ride = crap

Says the guy with the misleading name. ;)

elevation
05-20-2008, 01:05 PM
You need a good ole reliable Ducati. ;)

My Honda is the new Yugo! :rockon

Thumper 8
05-20-2008, 02:58 PM
Lee, sorry to hear your bike let you down. When I sold my VFR, it was totally stock and never let me down. The new owner put on an outlet for a heated vest (or heated grips? - I cannot remember which) and the bike died on his first long ride - just outside Kamloops. The r/r failed.

The bikes can die anytime, and it appears when any electrical mods / accessories are added to the bike, the r/r may fail even faster.

BTW, at vfrdiscussion some riders have had good success adding a r/r from a recent R1. On the good side, you have a great mechanic to help you out... and Mark proves again what a great guy he is!

alternateimpact
05-20-2008, 04:57 PM
Dam Lee...you and that bike have some sort of love hate relationship thin goin on.....do you kinda miss the f4i? lol! Anyways, hope your bike is back in riding form soon, and we can get out for a rip soon.

Tinman
05-20-2008, 05:08 PM
Hey Lee,

Sorry about your VFR. I'm thinking of picking up a spare rectifier for our next VFR invasions as I haven't replaced my current rectifier yet.
As for the rest of the trip we decided to take a shorter route to Big White and got stopped on the #8 as there was a recent motorcycle fatality blocking the road. An older couple on a Harley without gear crashed in a corner killing the man and critically injuring the wife. After that we almost called it a day and headed back home, but then calculated that we would only lose 1 1/2 hours going to Ashcroft and taking the 97c to Merrit. We arrived in Big White at 8pm and promptly started drinking.
The next day we took the #3 home (after Fairview-White Lake rd of course) as the Cascades pass was still closed. After Princeton we ran into lots of traffic then lots of rain after Manning Park so you didn't miss much anyway.
Next ride we're going south for sure!

elevation
05-20-2008, 05:57 PM
BTW, at vfrdiscussion some riders have had good success adding a r/r from a recent R1. On the good side, you have a great mechanic to help you out... and Mark proves again what a great guy he is!

Just picked up a R1 regulator at Chop Shop today. Ordering a Stator from Electrosports, and a voltmeter from digitalmeter.com. I could replace all the wiring with high grade wires but then it really gets $$$$. These replacements should keep the bike going until its death or at the very least give me fair warning of any electrical issues.

Cory, I don't miss the F4i. I guess the VFR is a supermodel, high maintenance girlfriend that treats me like shit! haha

J_Scott
05-20-2008, 07:18 PM
Is this something that I need to worry with heated grips/2 vests on my duc? Or is it just a honda problem? ;)

silverD
05-20-2008, 07:23 PM
Is this something that I need to worry with heated grips/2 vests on my duc? Or is it just a honda problem? ;)

The regulator rectifier is more or less a Honda problem.

What you should do it connect a volt meter to your battery, run the bike and turn on all of your accessories..... If your charging system can keep up, at 3000 or above, by keeping the voltage over 13 and 1/2 you have enough capacity for all your gear. If it can't keep up experiment with what you can and can't have on at the same time...

elevation
05-21-2008, 08:38 AM
Is this something that I need to worry with heated grips/2 vests on my duc? Or is it just a honda problem? ;)

+1 to what old man Don said.

The research I am doing about this problem. It seems like a voltmeter is 100x more important than a fuel guage. Considering all the additional wiring I have added to my bike, I really need better regulating equipment. The battery can handle it all but it puts more stress on regulator rectifier and stator. Both will be upgraded.

http://www.digitalmeter.com/

For $39-$59 you get a high quality volt meter. I went for the blue LED for extra poser points.

silverD
05-21-2008, 10:30 AM
I went for the blue LED for extra poser points.

You devil you ... :laughing

Purplekawi
05-21-2008, 10:38 AM
What you should do it connect a volt meter to your battery, can't say for the Monster but the 848 has a built in voltmeter as one of the functions on the dash.

silverD
05-21-2008, 10:42 AM
can't say for the Monster but the 848 has a built in voltmeter as one of the functions on the dash.

I was just referring to using a multimeter to check with...

Nice that Duc provides that though, I feel left out as the MTS doesn't have one, but my radar detector does :devillook

RiceRocket
05-21-2008, 10:00 PM
Lee, sorry to hear your bike let you down. When I sold my VFR, it was totally stock and never let me down. The new owner put on an outlet for a heated vest (or heated grips? - I cannot remember which) and the bike died on his first long ride - just outside Kamloops. The r/r failed.

The bikes can die anytime, and it appears when any electrical mods / accessories are added to the bike, the r/r may fail even faster.

Then it was a good thing I didn't do any mods to the bike on my big road trip last year...phew!