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magis70
06-11-2005, 09:49 PM
Well guys, i guess it was my turn to go down this time. I have nothing to blame but my own recklessness, live and learn i guess.
I was on a group ride going to nakusp this weekend. I was 10k out of new denver heading to nakusp when my buddy took off on his R1. Naturally i wanted to catch him(stupid move) I hear people all the time say "ride your own ride etc" but i was feeling adventureous and decided to go for it, we ride togethor all the time and have roughly the same skill level. I was moving along at a GOOD clip when a decreasing radious corner came up...with a wooden bridge just past the apex!, diddent realise it till i entered the corner. Tried to slow it down, lost my line, let go of the brake and leaned into it hoping the tires would hold........well the roads were damp from rain, out she went, lowsided at about 50kph. The bike slammed into the concrete barrier just before the bridge, frame slider did its job but the impact destroyed both my rims. Then i promptly smacked into the barrier, luckily i had a backpack on full of clothing that cushoned the impact. In the end i walked away with a bruised elbow and a few scrapes, my gear did its job perfectly, and i have to go get the bike tomorrow morning. Frankly im not concerned about my own well being as much as the bike, it felt like losing a best friend. Lesson learned here? There realy is no lesson, i took one too many risks and got what i deserved, i'll make sure not to do it next time.
P.S. Anyone want to build a race bike?. I have a wrecked bike for sale now,hehehe.
Krazy_j604
06-11-2005, 09:53 PM
wow, sounded like your were very lucky...
coolio
06-11-2005, 09:59 PM
It's good. Rant it out. Did you take a riding course? Since you lowslided at 50kph, I guess you could have put you bike back up and slow down all at once or done it a couple times if you had no room.
Don't do risk riding. Always be certain. Sorry about your tragedy.
magis70
06-11-2005, 10:02 PM
It's good. Rant it out. Did you take a riding course? Since you lowslided at 50kph, I guess you could have put you bike back up and slow down all at once or done it a couple times if you had no room.
Don't do risk riding. Always be certain. Sorry about your tragedy.
I was going much faster than 50kph, i had it slowed down quite a bit when i went down.
CrashTested
06-11-2005, 10:02 PM
It's good. Rant it out. Did you take a riding course? Since you lowslided at 50kph, I guess you could have put you bike back up and slow down all at once or done it a couple times if you had no room.
Don't do risk riding. Always be certain. Sorry about your tragedy.
Coolio you should tell him about your weights! :roflmao
Hey man I know that corner very well, so easy to run in too hot... I'm glad your here to tell us you're OK :thumbup
"I have nothing to blame but my own recklessness." words of wisdom!
coolio
06-11-2005, 10:08 PM
Coolio you should tell him about your weights! :roflmao
CrashTested and I have been doing some experiments. We found that adding some weights to your rims should prevent the rims from denting up in case of an accident. It's good for high speed riding too. :)
jschapansky
06-11-2005, 10:09 PM
you here to post your own rider down thread :thumbup cheers. better then someone else posting it for you.
jeckyll
06-11-2005, 10:10 PM
Good on you for posting up about it. Even if it helps one person to not feel like they should "keep up" it could save someone else.
Glad you are here to post up about it.
Bjorn
coolio
06-11-2005, 10:11 PM
Coolio you should tell him about your weights! :roflmao
Hey man I know that corner very well, so easy to run in too hot... I'm glad your here to tell us you're OK :thumbup
Does that corner have a speed sign? I use those corner speeds signs a lot when I don't know the corners.
magis70
06-11-2005, 10:15 PM
Does that corner have a speed sign? I use those corner speeds signs a lot when I don't know the corners.
Corner speed signs dont mean much during high speed riding, most of the time you can do double what it says safley, and sometimes when it says 20kph corner it MEANS it, its realy hit and miss i find.
That sucks to hear Dave. Thats right where all the twisties start. Not to mention the long ass ride of shame sittin bitch on someone elses bike. Good to hear you ok though. Im sure youll be back at it in no time. :thumbup
HydeNobuyuki
06-11-2005, 10:32 PM
glad you're okay and sounds like you have grown from the experience.
gixxerboygenius
06-11-2005, 10:38 PM
Dude, I'm so glad you're able to post it yourself!
boarder
06-11-2005, 11:17 PM
I'm glad to hear your alright bud, too bad about the bike. Maybe the damage aint so bad. Take care dude, I'll hopefully be down that way soon, but with new job not really certain. heal up well :thumbup
dhouldsw
06-11-2005, 11:25 PM
Corner speed signs dont mean much during high speed riding, most of the time you can do double what it says safley, and sometimes when it says 20kph corner it MEANS it, its realy hit and miss i find.
This isn't directed at you Magis70, but a general comment for all....
Corner speeds are not only for traction, road surfaces and vehicle control, but VISION as well.
If you hit a limited vision corner that warns 30km/h and you're doing 60km/h+, there's no way you're going to be able to stop in time if there's an obstacle (decreasing radius) in the way mid-corner.
In your case I guess, you couldn't see that it was a decreasing radius coming up, hence the warning.
If you look at it from a safety perspective and add in the fact that it could be limited vision (can you see 10 seconds ahead? can you see the entire corner?), they all start to make sense. :thumbup
;D
hey man, all i gotta say thats a close call, good to hear your ok!! Some awareness for everyone to ride safe!!
Jay
J_Scott
06-12-2005, 02:35 AM
Does that corner have a speed sign? I use those corner speeds signs a lot when I don't know the corners.
I love listening to you give advice to other riders Coolio... makes me laugh.
Back on topic, glad you're okay Magis. And I know the feeling of the bike, it'll feel tainted forever. I never could push mine to the same limits knowing it had been on its side.
It's good. Rant it out. Did you take a riding course? Since you lowslided at 50kph, I guess you could have put you bike back up and slow down all at once or done it a couple times if you had no room.
Don't do risk riding. Always be certain. Sorry about your tragedy.
Risk is a huge part of riding for alot of people. Riding wouldnt be the same if we had to always be certain.
Good to hear your ok magis
CrashTested
06-12-2005, 03:19 AM
Does that corner have a speed sign? I use those corner speeds signs a lot when I don't know the corners.
Coolio you' are so... well GREEN... anything 40km/hr and above double (that's only a safe assumption most of the time)... anything 40km/hr and below...
R-E-S-P-E-C-T!
However in your case for the moment you shouldn't probably take your bike for...
1. out of first gear
&
2. don't leave the parking lot untill you take your couse, and even then I'm still not so certain...
(all this brought to you while inbetween holding the kid, boiling bottles & nipple shield & changing 2 dirty diapers ( I was a little ambitious...he filled the clean one no sooner then having it put on)
cbrF381
06-12-2005, 05:45 AM
Oh well me going on a ride with a bunch of people today and I will make sure to not to try to catch up, considering that they all have 2000 and above bikes and I am going with 97 cbr (not that anyone of us can use the capabilities of even a 89 hurricane, all of us are newbies) THX FOR posting and hopefully u get a bike soon and get back to riding.
J_Scott
06-12-2005, 08:39 AM
Oh well me going on a ride with a bunch of people today and I will make sure to not to try to catch up, considering that they all have 2000 and above bikes and I am going with 97 cbr (not that anyone of us can use the capabilities of even a 89 hurricane, all of us are newbies) THX FOR posting and hopefully u get a bike soon and get back to riding.
While it's smart of you not to try and keep up, I've been passed more than once by a better rider on an OLD bike. ;)
magis70
06-12-2005, 03:28 PM
While it's smart of you not to try and keep up, I've been passed more than once by a better rider on an OLD bike. ;)
Thanks for all the support guys. I got the bike home today and its basically just the rims that are needed to make it road worthy again. Theres quite a bit of cosmetic damage too but at least the bike is rideable otherwise. I was planning on selling it to upgrade this fall, looks like this just sped things up a bit. I'm going to try and sell it as a fix-er upper to get the rest of my loan paid out, which is already on the verge of being paid out; and borrow money for another bike. Its a 1998 CBR600 F3. I'll be posting it in the for sale forum shortly with pics, if anyone is interested let me know
SkipTkt
06-12-2005, 04:41 PM
Glad you're okay... I had a very similar incident last year. Sucks.. but great to be the one to post your own 'rider down' thread. :thumbup
Betamax
06-12-2005, 05:23 PM
shame about the bike, congrats on coming thru relatively unscathed.
You may be more concerned about the bike right now...but if you were hurting, you'd feel different. So try to keep it all in perspective.
Sounds like you learned a valuable lesson at no great physical cost. That and Coolio's valuable advice may save you from a worse accident in the future. :thumbup
fastcat1100XX
06-12-2005, 05:45 PM
Well guys, i guess it was my turn to go down this time. I have nothing to blame but my own recklessness, live and learn i guess.
I was on a group ride going to nakusp this weekend. I was 10k out of new denver heading to nakusp when my buddy took off on his R1. Naturally i wanted to catch him(stupid move) I hear people all the time say "ride your own ride etc" but i was feeling adventureous and decided to go for it, we ride togethor all the time and have roughly the same skill level. I was moving along at a GOOD clip when a decreasing radious corner came up...with a wooden bridge just past the apex!, diddent realise it till i entered the corner. Tried to slow it down, lost my line, let go of the brake and leaned into it hoping the tires would hold........well the roads were damp from rain, out she went, lowsided at about 50kph. The bike slammed into the concrete barrier just before the bridge, frame slider did its job but the impact destroyed both my rims. Then i promptly smacked into the barrier, luckily i had a backpack on full of clothing that cushoned the impact. In the end i walked away with a bruised elbow and a few scrapes, my gear did its job perfectly, and i have to go get the bike tomorrow morning. Frankly im not concerned about my own well being as much as the bike, it felt like losing a best friend. Lesson learned here? There realy is no lesson, i took one too many risks and got what i deserved, i'll make sure not to do it next time.
P.S. Anyone want to build a race bike?. I have a wrecked bike for sale now,hehehe.
I am also sitting here in front of my computer with a broken collar bone.
My gixxer 1000 got busted up on the front after I lost it on a turn near Neah Bay, Washington about 2 weeks ago and the bike hit a turn sign of all things.
It was my first crash on the road in over a decade.
Don't feel bad at least you didn't break anything and are still alive and will live to fight another day.
:banghead
Glad you're OK. Those roads can have nasty surprises for those that are unfamiliar with them--particularly those wooden bridges. I know of a few bikes that have met their demise near there--luckily, the riders, like you, made it out alive.
VictorEric
06-12-2005, 08:39 PM
Glad to hear you walked from it.
Just remember, what doesn't kill ya' makes you stronger.
magis70
06-13-2005, 12:25 AM
Pics of the bike.
http://www.bcsportbikes.com/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=3623
dog44
06-13-2005, 08:37 AM
Tried to slow it down, lost my line, let go of the brake and leaned into it hoping the tires would hold.Considering the situation you got yourself into, sounds like your last decision was the right one: either the tires hold, or you lowside.
QUESTION FOR THE EXPERIENCED RIDERS
Did he do the right thing? If you were in that situation, what would you do differently?
radmtrbkr
06-13-2005, 08:55 AM
street fighter project...
RoadBlur
06-13-2005, 09:08 AM
Glad to hear you walked from it.
Just remember, what doesn't kill ya' makes you stronger.
In the sense that you have many steel and titanium screws and bits that will give you awesome arthritic superpowers later in life!
It also makes you poorer.
RoadBlur
06-13-2005, 09:19 AM
Cheers to this post.
I think a good rule of thumb for 'is it safe to push it through this corner' is, if a brick wall was coming at you at 100kph through the corner, could you continue at the speed you're going and still have enough time to slow/stop/swerve and not get dead? Because thats what a stalled car, tractor, deer, oncoming civic racer/k5 backroad GP masta, or patch of dirt + slide = tree will amount to. Some people on this board sound lamer than vin diesel. For that 8 seconds or less I'm free blah blah, then for the rest of eternity you're a bloody pile of goo, good trade!
Remember, if you are posting here you are not advising experienced riders, but relatively new ones 99.9% of the time. How about they learn how to ride safely and not get dead before they learn how to thrillseek and risk death.. so that they can make the choice with some level of knowledge.
Pro athletes in real sports (as in sports you actually need experience and skill to pursue recklessly) assess risk at every step, and only the best of the best dance on the edge and survive on a regular basis. Roadracers are very safety conscious. Street racers are wannabe roadracers with short life expectancies. I am not sure but I bet there are more RIP and "I crashed and broke my" threads than there are informative threads that serve to improve the skill and safety of riders on this board. Seems a good place NOT to take advice from.
This isn't directed at you Magis70, but a general comment for all....
Corner speeds are not only for traction, road surfaces and vehicle control, but VISION as well.
If you hit a limited vision corner that warns 30km/h and you're doing 60km/h+, there's no way you're going to be able to stop in time if there's an obstacle (decreasing radius) in the way mid-corner.
In your case I guess, you couldn't see that it was a decreasing radius coming up, hence the warning.
If you look at it from a safety perspective and add in the fact that it could be limited vision (can you see 10 seconds ahead? can you see the entire corner?), they all start to make sense. :thumbup
;D
Betamax
06-13-2005, 10:07 AM
In the sense that you have many steel and titanium screws and bits that will give you awesome arthritic superpowers later in life!
:roflmao True 'dat!
Sporty Tourer
06-13-2005, 03:40 PM
Sorry to hear about the accident. Glad to hear you are ok.
The accident you had is quite common due to people riding a new road and either not realizing how steep the corner is (due to being obstructed from view) or simply not looking ahead how it shapes out, or getting caught that you were going to fast. Sometimes you can even look ahead and see how the corner will unfold only to get into it and then you see gravel in your line of travel (not good).
Either way you are in trouble and panic (hit brakes hard while in a lean) is often the worst thing to do.
I myself was put in the same situation twice.
Once for encounterring gravel in the corner and once for going into a corner too fast.
Both times I intiated the following action with successful results.
That is, realise there is a problem, straighten out the bike from a lean angle, hard front brakes to scrub off as much speed as possible, resume corner with slight throttle and lean.
Straightenning out the bike will allow you to hit the front brakes very hard and reduce your speed dramatically without losing control or putting your bike in a skid or slide. The only problem though is you can only do it briefly as it will result in you heading towards the ditch (on a left turn corner) or oncoming traffic (on a right turn corner).
I think the key though is to allow yourself room for error on every corner you take so that at least you always have an option.
Don't feel bad Dave, it could have happenned to anyone and you are ok.
Bikes can be replaced.
racerjoe
06-13-2005, 04:48 PM
just glad you are able to ride again, also glad to hear you learned something.
SHANE
06-13-2005, 05:38 PM
note to self never post your own crash
:banghead
Frank Einstein
02-04-2010, 10:44 PM
Had my spill this afternoon. Lost it in a downhill left hander and slid off the road, left side down. Not a huge pile of damage but nevertheless, a learning experience. Might have been trying to keep up with more experienced riders, which I had done most of the day but, I was also tired, and may have not been concentrating enough. I am older than many and I think what I have realized is that, riding twisties for 3 hours takes good energy and later in the day it can catch up to a guy. I think that is what happened. It is 10:45 now and i am really feeling the day. A ton of fun though, with wonderful comrades to ride with.
Well guys, i guess it was my turn to go down this time. I have nothing to blame but my own recklessness, live and learn i guess.
I was on a group ride going to nakusp this weekend. I was 10k out of new denver heading to nakusp when my buddy took off on his R1. Naturally i wanted to catch him(stupid move) I hear people all the time say "ride your own ride etc" but i was feeling adventureous and decided to go for it, we ride togethor all the time and have roughly the same skill level. I was moving along at a GOOD clip when a decreasing radious corner came up...with a wooden bridge just past the apex!, diddent realise it till i entered the corner. Tried to slow it down, lost my line, let go of the brake and leaned into it hoping the tires would hold........well the roads were damp from rain, out she went, lowsided at about 50kph. The bike slammed into the concrete barrier just before the bridge, frame slider did its job but the impact destroyed both my rims. Then i promptly smacked into the barrier, luckily i had a backpack on full of clothing that cushoned the impact. In the end i walked away with a bruised elbow and a few scrapes, my gear did its job perfectly, and i have to go get the bike tomorrow morning. Frankly im not concerned about my own well being as much as the bike, it felt like losing a best friend. Lesson learned here? There realy is no lesson, i took one too many risks and got what i deserved, i'll make sure not to do it next time.
P.S. Anyone want to build a race bike?. I have a wrecked bike for sale now,hehehe.
zamaris
02-04-2010, 10:53 PM
Trust me the bike can be fixed you cannot.
I had an old school 86 1100 gixxer that was ubber minty way back. Next door lady used to wash the sidewalk?????????? with bleach to make it all white?????????
I dunno......
Anyways it was raining hard one night i was rushing home rode up on the sidewalk rode down fast came up to my pathway to the back yard and BAMMMMMMMMM faceplant into bleachy smell.
Yeah i remembered the slickness on other nights as i was faceplanting and my bike slid into the grass breaking 1 side of plastics pretty much everything.
Things just happen!
jafkaf81
02-04-2010, 10:59 PM
2005 ???? why the bump ?
zamaris
02-04-2010, 11:03 PM
why not
ohhhh hell it was frank that brought this bad boy back to life not me
Altimeter
02-04-2010, 11:45 PM
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/102/threadnecromancyns1nf0.jpg
Well guys, i guess it was my turn to go down this time.
I sincerely hope you heal up 100 percent, but that attitude of "my turn to go down" is a terrible mindset to have as a motorcyclist.
Stay positive....!
Altimeter
02-05-2010, 10:05 AM
Everyone here will crash at some point; that's a reality. Whether it's their fault or not, I don't know. You can accept that, and then be prepared to deal with it when it happens, or you can act like it will never happen, and not be ready or panic when it does.
Everyone here will crash at some point; that's a reality.
absolutely untrue.
Altimeter
02-05-2010, 11:09 AM
While statistically possible, unlikely. Doesn't matter if you're the best rider in the world and never make a mistake, all it takes is one moron running a red or driving drunk etc. to throw all your skill out the window. Confidence is that your skill and a bit of luck will get you out of most situations. Arrogance is that you will be able to get out of all situations. There are always factors beyond your control.
bandito
02-05-2010, 11:42 AM
Everyone here will crash at some point; that's a reality. Whether it's their fault or not, I don't know. You can accept that, and then be prepared to deal with it when it happens, or you can act like it will never happen, and not be ready or panic when it does.
COMPLETELY WRONG.
Not everyone here will crash at some point.
Some people are lucky to ride for decades, and retire from riding
without ever crashing on the street.
Some people can't go on one BCSB ride without piling up their bike.
I know two guys in their 60's that have been riding since they were
old enough to... and neither of them have had a single accident on
a bike.
FZrrr
02-05-2010, 11:54 AM
The natural position of a motorcycle is when it's center of gravity is as close to the ground as possible.
What we do with these bikes is contrary to their natural state which they struggle to attain.
The more skilled a rider you are, you have the abilities to reduce the risks and or the severity of the situations you encounter.
Until there is a cure for gravity, we all fall over, some at speed, some in our driveway's trying to avoid stepping on the dog.
bandito
02-05-2010, 01:29 PM
There is a difference between crashing your bike, or being hit in an
MVA, and tipping over in the driveway because you shoe lace is stuck
around the kickstand.
Altimeter
02-05-2010, 01:40 PM
To me they are all crashes. Bike is still getting scratched or broken. You are still getting hurt. My bruises or breaks don't care if I fell down in the driveway or I got t-boned by a moron.
Rektek
02-05-2010, 01:41 PM
I don't like this inevitability idea. Do the best you can. Be overly defensive all the time assuming your invisible. We all put a lot of trust in cagers and that's just the way it is.
Ive ridden road bikes aggressively for years and have always ridden both motorcycles and bicycles mainly in cities. While drivers make lots of mistakes you can avoid going down by being prepared for them. Its not inevitable you'll have an accident. There is a good chance but that's it. Prepare for anything. Sometimes that means driving like an old man (intersections, onramps, bridges etc..) but make up for it in the open bends :rockon
denham
02-05-2010, 01:43 PM
My bruises or breaks don't care if I fell down in the driveway or I got t-boned by a moron.
I don't know about anyone else, but I've never broken anything by dropping my bike in the driveway haha. :)
I don't agree that a crash is inevitable. Yes it happens to a lot of us, but I don't think saying it's going to happen sooner or later is not the best attitude to have.
Altimeter
02-05-2010, 01:44 PM
Accidents are not inevitable, but be prepared for anything. Isn't accident including in anything?
Either way, what I'm getting from this discussion is that there are different mental states on how people deal with the risk that comes with operating a vehicle, especially a motorcycle. So to sum it all up...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/shawnlevy/The_Big_Lebowski___Jeff_Bridges.jpg
"That's just like, your opinion man."
DarthSquid
02-05-2010, 01:52 PM
Does anyone else take it pretty easy when hitting a new or unfamiliar road for the first time?
Who knows what the hell is around the corner even on your favorite set of twisties, but the idea of screaming into a corner hot not having any idea of even where the road goes terrifies me. Decreasing radii and bridges arn't nice when they're surprises.
I can't think of any motorsport, closed circuit or open road where knowing the course isn't crucial to success.
denham
02-05-2010, 01:52 PM
Everyone here will crash at some point; that's a reality.
Accidents are not inevitable, but be prepared for anything.
I think these two things are quite different... saying that everyone will crash is pretty much just lifting responsibility off your own shoulders and maybe riding with less caution because it's going to happen sooner or later. But I do agree that we should be prepared for anything! That's taking control of the situation and doing everything you can to avoid what could be seen as inevitable :)
Altimeter
02-05-2010, 02:39 PM
Ah, if that's how people are interpreting what I said, that's not how I meant it at all. I meant that if you expect it, you can be vigilant and be prepared to deal with the situation when it comes, as oppose to being caught unaware.
slingshot
02-05-2010, 03:34 PM
Ah, if that's how people are interpreting what I said, that's not how I meant it at all. I meant that if you expect it, you can be vigilant and be prepared to deal with the situation when it comes, as oppose to being caught unaware.
Flippety flop, I caughts another little fishy.
It's simple. Risk goes up when you ride beyond your skills. Crashing is not caused by destiny, it's caused by poor judgement - generally combined with too much speed and not enough attention to your surroundings.
Aside from the handful of pro riders on this forum, we are largely a bunch of enthusiasts on this board. Unfortunately, enthusiasm does not equal skill. Only hours and hours of practice adds up to real skill. Stay cool, resist the urge to be stupid and you will stand a better chance of never getting seriously hurt.
I also caught his flip flop, but I digress.
Having the attitude that "we will all crash at some point" could prevent you from driving out of an accident possibility because the mindset of "I guess it's my turn" will be entrenched in your mind.
You might give up using evasion tactics if you truly believe it is your turn to crash.
OneTrack
02-05-2010, 04:12 PM
Sometimes that means driving like an old man
Oh the irony.....:laughing
Have to agree that there is no inevitability to crashing.
Anyone that looks back at an accident and concludes that there is nothing they could have altered to avoid it is suffering from a lack of immagination and judgment skills.
Myself I had a stupid drop near my house because what seemed to be a parked car startled me when they moved from the space and came at me while I was in mid turn. Pulled a muscle and realized how much pain even a small accident can be. Now I am extra extra extra vigilant - every time I ride now I am expecting a bird to dive bomb me, a dog to come running up or car horn next to me. So far I have experienced every one of those while expecting it could happen - no harm done.
An accident does not have to be self induced for you to avoid it.
Not that I still don't ride like a maniac, but a careful maniac.
BRETT
02-05-2010, 06:17 PM
good to hear your ok
bandito
02-05-2010, 06:22 PM
Does anyone else take it pretty easy when hitting a new or unfamiliar road for the first time?
Who knows what the hell is around the corner even on your favorite set of twisties, but the idea of screaming into a corner hot not having any idea of even where the road goes terrifies me. Decreasing radii and bridges arn't nice when they're surprises.
I can't think of any motorsport, closed circuit or open road where knowing the course isn't crucial to success.
For sure...
But the more dangerous really is when you think because you know the
road you can wick it up.
Generally that is when you find a giant pile of horse shit mid corner,
or a child crossing the road... or a pile of sand dropped by a dumptruck
that wasn't there on your way out.
Riding in an uncontrolled environment must always allow the maximum
margin for safety.
Those who push the boundaires are just making the safety margin
smaller. Someday it may cause a problem, perhaps it won't. You
just never know.
Holyrain
02-05-2010, 06:35 PM
95% of accidents are avoidable. A skilled/experienced rider/driver naturally predicts and is expecting road users/peds to make errors and already has an escape plan formed in the subconscious. However there are some situations where accidents are unavoidable and then it's up to you to minimize the damage.
Altimeter
02-05-2010, 08:28 PM
95% of accidents are avoidable. A skilled/experienced rider/driver naturally predicts and is expecting road users/peds to make errors and already has an escape plan formed in the subconscious. However there are some situations where accidents are unavoidable and then it's up to you to minimize the damage.
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