Scott and Sav adventure #4 - Duffy in a Cage

[J_Scott]

Well, since my bike's getting some trick work done I was feeling the need to get the hell out of dodge and at least give the car a bit of attention. So after a late saturday night installing a racing steering wheel and gear shift lever from OMP; I had to test out my new gear before I hit the track on October 4th, so I figured the Duffy was a good way to do it. I called a buddy to go, and sure enough the Porsche club was heading up on the very same day. So @ 7:00 a.m. we headed out.


FYI: SAV and I forgot our camera, so there really aren't any pics of us.

Pit in Pemberton

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Checking Oil in Pemberton (I had to move all my nicely folded clothes to get down to my oil canisters... it's not usually THAT messy under the boot!)

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New Cayman (1500km at the start of the trip)

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3 generations of 911

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3.2 Carrera's (mine's in the middle)

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3.2's again

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Duffy Lake

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Lillooet

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Overall it was a good time... not really any rain and not a SINGLE cop! And I was surprised, these guys could really drive.

You'd think a porsche club would be full of a bunch of snobby pricks, but if you consider the fact that most of these cars can be had for $15,000 to $50,000 it's not that out of reach. and the cayman was the only car worth 80+.
All in all, it was a good time.... for a cage ;)

[canuck]

I saw you guys heading down the canyon on Sunday. i was on the mud covered BMW 1150gs.

I was doing about 145 and was passed like I was standing still by a couple of those cars.

Looked like you all had a ton of fun.

[Furious Fiero]

They all look the same :devillook

[SpideRider]

Nice stuff. Thanks!
Funny you mention the snobbery factor; I, too, assumed it would be a club filled with over-rich lawyers and doctors. :D

[J_Scott]

I saw you Canuck. ;)


They all look the same :devillook

I know they do... they all look good! ;) Go back to dreaming about Ferrari's. :laughing

Did I mention my victory at Portland international against a 2003 Modena yet Phil? I wasn't sure. ;)

[Furious Fiero]

I saw you Canuck. ;)



I know they do... they all look good! ;) Go back to dreaming about Ferrari's. :laughing

Did I mention my victory at Portland international against a 2003 Modena yet Phil? I wasn't sure. ;)

Ya you were telling me about that night you had a nightmare and woke up...

[thundergod]

Nice pix amigo!

[iamcanjim]

Saw you guys coming the other way. I was in my silver jeep. Tell the silver boxter driver to learn how the hell to drive or get the hell off the road, as he or she nearly creamed me taking up half my lane in a blind corner.

This is what I was doing this weekend.

http://www.clubtread.com/sforum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18500

[Furious Fiero]

I dont see a Silver Boxter in those pics?

[iamcanjim]

They may have been not in the group, the car was about 2 km behind. Seeing the pics, I don't see one either.

[J_Scott]

I dont see a Silver Boxter in those pics?

That's because there wasn't one.

[cuski]

Dude, unless you got naked pics, stop posting this. Nobody cares.

But if you do post naked pics, though, make sure you have "Scott & Sav" plastered all over them in big bright bold red letters. I know Phil loves that shit.

[Furious Fiero]

Have any pics of wrecked Porsches? I love those! :evilgrin

PS-thats just a normal Cayman right?...not as S...

[marclapierre]

that Cayman gave me an erection....

[adam112]

what? no 914's? losers.

[J_Scott]

Have any pics of wrecked Porsches? I love those! :evilgrin

PS-thats just a normal Cayman right?...not as S...

Yep, it's just s regular one. Still is a really cool car. Can't believe how cheap they are.

Mind you, they're not really all that fast. ;)

[Furious Fiero]

Yep, it's just s regular one. Still is a really cool car. Can't believe how cheap they are.

Mind you, they're not really all that fast. ;)

$80,000 for a hardtop Boxter? A little much I think...even $100,000+ for a Cayman S. I'd rather buy a C6 Z06 to beat Porsches and Ferraris. :laughing

I better stop Porsche bashing...Scott might start crying. :laughing :coffee

[J_Scott]

$80,000 for a hardtop Boxter? A little much I think...even $100,000+ for a Cayman S. I'd rather buy a C6 Z06 to beat Porsches and Ferraris. :laughing

I better stop Porsche bashing...Scott might start crying. :laughing :coffee

$69K base for the regular Cayman, not too bad.

And buddy, I can outdrive most guys in faster cars... no need to apologize. You wanna take that Z06 to Portland and put your money where your mouth is? ;)

EDIT: Why am I defending Caymans? Well, they're not my favorite car... but they are better deals than those POS Ferrari's :)

[Furious Fiero]

$69K base for the regular Cayman, not too bad.

And buddy, I can outdrive most guys in faster cars... no need to apologize. You wanna take that Z06 to Portland and put your money where your mouth is? ;)

EDIT: Why am I defending Caymans? Well, they're not my favorite car... but they are better deals than those POS Ferrari's :)

Caymans are just overpriced POS's. Its funny when car manufacturers come out with detuned cars so they are not faster then their trademark cars.

I could outdrive you in the '03 Z06 :P

[adam112]

I'm down. I got 500 bucks on the dressed up bug.

Anybody else down? Phil vs Scott in a motor madness showdown.

[Furious Fiero]

I got 500 bucks on the dressed up bug.



:laughing :laughing :laughing :laughing :laughing :laughing :laughing

[J_Scott]

Caymans are just overpriced POS's. Its funny when car manufacturers come out with detuned cars so they are not faster then their trademark cars.

I could outdrive you in the '03 Z06 :P

Come to the track. I'm at Pacific Raceways on October 4th. :)

I'm sure I could try and convince the guys to allow that ox-cart on the track... it's got leaf springs does it not? ;)

[Furious Fiero]

Come to the track. I'm at Pacific Raceways on October 4th. :)

I'm sure I could try and convince the guys to allow that ox-cart on the track... it's got leaf springs does it not? ;)

Im workin that day...but Id love to hear about all the Ferraris that kill you on the track :rockon

[J_Scott]

Im workin that day...but Id love to hear about all the Ferraris that kill you on the track :rockon

The only Ferrari that's beaten me yet was an F430 Challenge Stradale... and considering the guy spent about 12 times as much as I did on that car and it has 500+ horsepower... I didn't feel too bad. ;)

I've only been on the track with 3 Ferrari's... one faster, one slower and one that was about similiar. That includes a 430 challenge, a 430 spyder and a 360 Modena.

Also, you're only allowed to brag about the cars if you own one Phil. Otherwise you're kinda like those guys that drive around in Harley spec trucks making fun of sportbikes, yet they don't ride at all...

And we don't want you to be a Fat-Harley-Fan Phil, Ferrari supporter or not. ;)

[Furious Fiero]

The only Ferrari that's beaten me yet was an F430 Challenge Stradale... and considering the guy spent about 12 times as much as I did on that car and it has 500+ horsepower... I didn't feel too bad. ;)

I've only been on the track with 3 Ferrari's... one faster, one slower and one that was about similiar. That includes a 430 challenge, a 430 spyder and a 360 Modena.

Also, you're only allowed to brag about the cars if you own one Phil. Otherwise you're kinda like those guys that drive around in Harley spec trucks making fun of sportbikes, yet they don't ride at all...

And we don't want you to be a Fat-Harley-Fan Phil, Ferrari supporter or not. ;)


Well then I could go on about how the '03 Z06 is better then a Porsche...but Id rather spend my time surfing the internet for better porn sites. :rockon

How about I just put Ferrari symbols all over my bike, then I can be one of those Harley F150 guys :laughing :laughing

[J_Scott]

Well then I could go on about how the '03 Z06 is better then a Porsche...but Id rather spend my time surfing the internet for better porn sites. :rockon

Problem is, then you'd be wrong. Plus you're also comparing very different cars. I'd rather compare an '03 Turbo to an '03 Z06 as it would be a better comparison.

How about the new GT3 RS? I'm thinking of ordering one of those next year. ;)

http://www.porsche.com/filestore.aspx/800x600.jpg?pool=germany&type=galleryimage&id=997gt3-gallery-wallpaper-09&lang=none&filetype=800x600



How about I just put Ferrari symbols all over my bike, then I can be one of those Harley F150 guys :laughing :laughing

True enough! Or you could put Ducati decals on the Kawi!

[Furious Fiero]

Problem is, then you'd be wrong. Plus you're also comparing very different cars. I'd rather compare an '03 Turbo to an '03 Z06 as it would be a better comparison.

How about the new GT3 RS? I'm thinking of ordering one of those next year. ;)

http://www.porsche.com/filestore.aspx/800x600.jpg?pool=germany&type=galleryimage&id=997gt3-gallery-wallpaper-09&lang=none&filetype=800x600





If you consider the price of a '03 Turbo and a '03 Z06...the Porsche is more then double. So it that really a fair comparison? The '03 Z06 is $40,000-$50,00.

That 911 GT3 RS is one sweet machine. But you know me, Id still get a Ferrari. I'd take the 360 Challenge Stradale.

[Stewy]

Nice to see you giving the car some attention. Looked like a good time.

[slam]

Porsche, Ferrari, Corvette, yada, yada...

all this car talk is making me miss my '93 RX7

[Hogie]

just get the tape measures out and get it over with guys.

[Thumper 8]

just get the tape measures out and get it over with guys.

I now understand Scott's preoccupation and fascination with Big Dick rides - he spends all day driving around in a penis extender :laughing :laughing

[SkipTkt]

:happysq When our Cadillac Club meets, we compare Porsches too. We keep them in our trunk(s) as spare tires. Too small *cough* to do much else with. :D

[J_Scott]

FYI Guys, Phil and I are just having some fun here. ;) No real flaming going on here.

I can't speak for what goes on at those Cadillac Club meets though! ;)

Charles, are you trying to say my car has a small penis and is using ME to compensate? That cheeky bastard!

[Furious Fiero]

Its all good guys. Scott will play around for a while then admit that Ferraris are the best. :D

[alternateimpact]

step all you posers ..I will hand all yer asses to ya in My toyota tercel! lol!

[PUREVIL]

LOL this thread is funny. You got one guy talking about his dream car, the other guy saying his old (nothing wrong with that) 911 is faster than the other guys dream car, but both dont realize that the Caymen S (not pictured) will beat both probably with a lil tuning. Scott face it your 911 is a classic icon, and in that same respect its time to pass on the throne to the new prince.... the Caymen. I personally like the new 997 GT3RS thats coming out, and I'll always like the 96/97 911 Turbos. The 996/997 I dont care for at all.

[Furious Fiero]

LOL this thread is funny. You got one guy talking about his dream car, the other guy saying his old (nothing wrong with that) 911 is faster than the other guys dream car, but both dont realize that the Caymen S (not pictured) will beat both probably with a lil tuning. Scott face it your 911 is a classic icon, and in that same respect its time to pass on the throne to the new prince.... the Caymen. I personally like the new 997 GT3RS thats coming out, and I'll always like the 96/97 911 Turbos. The 996/997 I dont care for at all.

There was no mention of a "CaymEn"

There is no way a Cayman S will beat an F430, Challenge Stradale, or Z06. Even with a little tuning.

hahaha, arguing about cars is so much fun! :laughing

[Furious Fiero]

Here you go Scott... http://www.bcsportbikes.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=24079&sort=1&cat=500&page=1

[cuski]

Enter the Audi R8 (http://videos.streetfire.net/recentvideos/1/e969fdcb-e95e-4d5d-981f-982500fffd84.htm)... :devillook

[PUREVIL]

There was no mention of a "CaymEn"

There is no way a Cayman S will beat an F430, Challenge Stradale, or Z06. Even with a little tuning.

hahaha, arguing about cars is so much fun! :laughing

You'd be surprised, all the reviews Ive read say the CaymAn is restricted to keep the 911 as their top model (now the carrera gt is gone). I'll bet a caymAn will hold its own against a ferrari, it may not win, but it wont get destroyed, like a gixxer does to kawi junk! Which Z06 are we talking about here? C6 or C5? C6 is a tough car to beat with its incredible power to weight ratio. But all will be owned by my Ariel Atom!:evilgrin

Arguing on the internet is fun, its also a sad sign winter is coming. LOL

[PUREVIL]

Enter the Audi R8 (http://videos.streetfire.net/recentvideos/1/e969fdcb-e95e-4d5d-981f-982500fffd84.htm)... :devillook

Gallardo rip off! HAHA

[slam]

so what's the most powerful version of the Atom now anyways?

have they come up with something more than the supercharged Civic Type-R engine putting out 300bhp ?

[Furious Fiero]

You'd be surprised, all the reviews Ive read say the CaymAn is restricted to keep the 911 as their top model (now the carrera gt is gone). I'll bet a caymAn will hold its own against a ferrari, it may not win, but it wont get destroyed, like a gixxer does to kawi junk! Which Z06 are we talking about here? C6 or C5? C6 is a tough car to beat with its incredible power to weight ratio. But all will be owned by my Ariel Atom!:evilgrin

Arguing on the internet is fun, its also a sad sign winter is coming. LOL


Yes I know the Cayman is detuned. I personally think that is soooo lame. Why would a car manufacturer come out with a car that is not at its full potential? Its like Suzuki coming out with a Gixxer 1000 with 50hp. Why doesnt Porsche just up the 911 instead of detuning the Cayman.

I think Im talking about both a C5 Z06 and a C6 Z06. Doesnt matter though, both of them will beat Scott's penis machine and the Cayman S.

[Furious Fiero]

Gallardo rip off! HAHA

Pretty much. Audi owns Lamborghini. They are just creating competition for themselves....but then again, the R8 will be detuned so that its not faster then the Gallardo...hahaha what a load crap!

[Furious Fiero]

Audi doesn't own Lamborghini, VW does. And VW owns Audi.

You shouldn't believe everything you hear. The guy reading in the video is
clueless. The R8 is *not* a Gallardo ripoff. It's based on the "Audi Le Mans
Quattro" concept, and it uses the 5.2l V10 FSI found in the Audi S8, and with
Quattro.

At least, that's according to the latest *official* announcement... Feel free to
translate it if you want:
http://www.audi.de/audi/de/de2/unternehmen/news/pressespiegel/Audi_bringt_den_R8_in_einer_Kleinserie.html

Do a bit of research and you'll find that the Gallardo crap is nothing but
rumours.

Its based on the Gallardo...they even used Gallardo parts on it for testing. ie, wheels, interior, suspension components. I have done my research.

PS-I still like the R8. Its gonna be one sweet car...but if I had the choice, Id still take a Gallardo.

You can even see first hand the Gallardo wheels on it...

Off to bed, we'll argue some more tommorow! :laughing :rockon

[cuski]

Its based on the Gallardo...they even used Gallardo parts on it for testing. ie, wheels, interior, suspension components. I have done my research.

PS-I still like the R8. Its gonna be one sweet car...but if I had the choice, Id still take a Gallardo.

You can even see first hand the Gallardo wheels on it...

Off to bed, we'll argue some more tommorow! :laughing :rockon

Got a link to support that statement? I'll take anything.

Also, Gallardo uses an Audi engine... which came first, the chicken or the egg?

[Scheme]

Why would a car manufacturer come out with a car that is not at its full potential? Its like Suzuki coming out with a Gixxer 1000 with 50hp.

No it's not


PS-I still like the R8. Its gonna be one sweet car...but if I had the choice, Id still take a Gallardo.

You don't have a choice, you're broke

[Danke]

I was playing Dungeons and Dragons and totally missed a round table about driving! Here's me in my MC12 annihilating all comers on the S2S Sunday AM. This is up near Pembie
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/5123/sundaydrivehw0.th.jpg (http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sundaydrivehw0.jpg)

But seriously, I was out for a ride Sunday not too early. Saw one cruiser, saw one silver/red Beemer, saw one group of 3 KTM Adventure, some sliver sport tourer and something else (KTM distracted me). No sport bikes! Just a kid on a 600RR on the upper levels who would pass, and slow down and then pass and slow down again. Either he went to the Fairy, or turnered around for home at Horseshoe Bay and the rain.

[Harps]

Why would a car manufacturer come out with a car that is not at its full potential? Its like Suzuki coming out with a Gixxer 1000 with 50hp.

It's called market segmentation, and product cannibalization. Go back to school.

[made Man]

I see a couple 944S (or were they S2?). I thought front engine Porsches werent considered Porsche by the purist. How did they fair with all the rear engine cars there?

[J_Scott]

LOL this thread is funny. You got one guy talking about his dream car, the other guy saying his old (nothing wrong with that) 911 is faster than the other guys dream car, but both dont realize that the Caymen S (not pictured) will beat both probably with a lil tuning. Scott face it your 911 is a classic icon, and in that same respect its time to pass on the throne to the new prince.... the Caymen. I personally like the new 997 GT3RS thats coming out, and I'll always like the 96/97 911 Turbos. The 996/997 I dont care for at all.

The 997 GT3 RS is an amazing car, one which I plan to buy when I retire this old Dog.

You're right though, that Cayman is built perfectly with that mid engine and very rigid frame. They really should have put more power in it, but that will be to come later.

Phil, as much as I think they are by FAR the most beautiful cars, Ferrari's are pieces of shit, and most will agree. Porsche may not be as pretty or as hard to reach in terms of exculsivity, but we're not talking about Robson appeal, we're talking which is the better track car. And Porsche (as well as Lamborghini) has Ferrari outdone in their street cars.

I'd love to one day own a Ferrari, but only as a showpiece. It's just not practical to drive, street or track.

Made man, most of the 944's there were actually 951 Turbos (I don't know their model's that well). They held up just fine. They were a little slower than most, but one of the guys there has a lot of work done to his and he's an amazing driver. I didn't bother trying to keep up with him, I was on the track with him at portland and already had learned my lesson. lol

[PUREVIL]

Why doesnt Porsche just up the 911 instead of detuning the Cayman.

The 911's ancient design is the reason they dont "up" it anymore. Turns out having your motor hanging off your ass doesn't help in the handling dept. Porsche detuned the Cayman because of all their loyal customers, wanting to keep their 911s as the top model. Its ghey, but its what they did. I'd love to see what a cayman can do when its "tuned". Im sure it will handle as well as any Ferrari and C5s aren't corner carvers by any means, they are more suited to drag racing.



Also, Gallardo uses an Audi engine... which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Cuski, R8 is a Lambo rip off, face it. Ever hear of platform sharing? Its a cost effective way of bringing new products to market by using existing chassis and drivetrains. The wheels on the test mule R8 pictured are clearly Gallardo wheels. I'd bet the V10 motor in the R8 will be a lambo derivative as well. But Im sure Audi will use its DSG tranny which probably isn't that much different than the E Gear model in the lambo.

Audi may have helped developed the Engine for Lambo, but it was first used in a Lambo. So therefore Lambo had the engine in production first, hence why the R8 is a Lambo ripoff. Any other questions?

Lets keep this thread going.

[J_Scott]

Any other questions?

Lets keep this thread going.

hmm, Well I agree about the 70/30 weight distribution not being a great design, it sure makes for some interesting track days. ;)

How about a better comparison. The 997 Turbo v.s. 997 GT3 RS?

I was looking at the GT3 yesterday and noticed Porsche has signed an agreement with OMP to make their racing parts. Something I found fitting as I just dumped a bunch of OMP crap into my car this weekend.

[PUREVIL]

Wait wait where did you see and 997 GT3 RS? As far as I know the RS model is in the works. Im guess (could be wrong as usual) that you saw a 997 GT3. The RS is supposed to be lighter with the Carrera 4s wider rear fenders and tires.

I like the Gt3 because its more race oriented. The turbo is nice, but I prefer more raw/purer driving experience. Plus the GT3 has to handle much better with out the extra weight of the AWD system in the Turbo. Its funny as cars get more expensive, they less they have. I love the 360CS because its more barebones than the 360. Same with the GT3 VS the Turbo. But thats me.

[J_Scott]

Wait wait where did you see and 997 GT3 RS? As far as I know the RS model is in the works. Im guess (could be wrong as usual) that you saw a 997 GT3. The RS is supposed to be lighter with the Carrera 4s wider rear fenders and tires.

I like the Gt3 because its more race oriented. The turbo is nice, but I prefer more raw/purer driving experience. Plus the GT3 has to handle much better with out the extra weight of the AWD system in the Turbo. Its funny as cars get more expensive, they less they have. I love the 360CS because its more barebones than the 360. Same with the GT3 VS the Turbo. But thats me.

http://www.porsche.com/all/911gt3rs/canada/page1.htm

Should have clarified. lol

I like the bare-bones cars myself. No fancy systems, no comfy seats... just a drivers car. I even miss the old pull-strap doors they had in the RS america!

[Furious Fiero]

Im sure it will handle as well as any Ferrari and C5s aren't corner carvers by any means, they are more suited to drag racing.





OMG! A Ferrari is NOT a drag racing machine. Ive been in a Porsches, Vettes, and a Ferraris...the best handling car of all those was a Ferrari....and it wasnt new, it was a 94' 348 Spider. (I actually drove it) It was by far the best handling car I have ever been in. It was seriously a street legal go-kart. Have you noticed Ferraris are almost never the most powerful. The engineering that goes into the engine is very extensive. They are one of the top handling cars in the world. Also, check out the new Corvette Z06. They didnt do testing and tuning at a drag track...they did it at Nurburgring. The new Z06 is one of the top Handling cars on the market. What can you buy for $100,000 that handles better and is more powerful then the C6 Z06...NOTHING!

[J_Scott]

http://www.porsche.com/all/911gt3rs/canada/page4.jpg

There's the OMP steering wheel. I put the rally version in mine. In Suede of course, not the crappy leather/polymer crap they have on this one.

http://www.ompracing.it/prod/images/od1950bigm.jpg

[Furious Fiero]

The 911 Gt3 RS I think is already out in Europe. I have seen it testing on Nurburgring already. Should be in North America soon...Im sure Scott knows more about those Penis Enlarging machines :laughing

[J_Scott]

OMG! A Ferrari is NOT a drag racing machine. Ive been in a Porsches, Vettes, and a Ferraris...the best handling car of all those was a Ferrari....and it wasnt new, it was a 94' 348 Spider. (I actually drove it) It was by far the best handling car I have ever been in. It was seriously a street legal go-kart. Have you noticed Ferraris are almost never the most powerful. The engineering that goes into the engine is very extensive. They are one of the top handling cars in the world. Also, check out the new Corvette Z06. They didnt do testing and tuning at a drag track...they did it at Nurburgring. The new Z06 is one of the top Handling cars on the market. What can you buy for $100,000 that handles better and is more powerful then the C6 Z06...NOTHING!

Okay Phil, now I really know you're nuts. ;) While the 348 may be able to pull a decent Lateral G, porsches will consistently pull higher numbers on the skidpad.

FYI, I did mention to you that the last 348 that was at the track with us started on fire right? lol

Oh, and the "seat of the pants dyno/G-meter" is always biased to whichever car you like better ;)

[J_Scott]

The 911 Gt3 RS I think is already out in Europe. I have seen it testing on Nurburgring already. Should be in North America soon...Im sure Scott knows more about those Penis Enlarging machines :laughing

You're trying to say a Ferrari ISN'T a penis extender? lol

With the exception of one guy, everytime we've been to the track with the Ferrari boys... they're a bunch of stuck up assholes. I'll take Porsche any day. :D

[Furious Fiero]

Oh, and the "seat of the pants dyno/G-meter" is always biased to whichever car you like better ;)

Pretty much. A Ferrari pulls 5gs, where as a Porsche only pulls 0.5gs...hahahahha


You're trying to say a Ferrari ISN'T a penis extender? lol

With the exception of one guy, everytime we've been to the track with the Ferrari boys... they're a bunch of stuck up assholes. I'll take Porsche any day. :D

Ya a Ferrari is a Penis extender...but a Ferrari has more character then a Porsche in my opinion.

hahaha this is a funny never ending conversasion between Scott and I. Lets make it like 30 pages of Ferrari vs. Porsche :laughing :laughing :laughing

[Furious Fiero]

here we go Scott...

http://bcsportbikes.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75944

[cuski]

End of discussion:

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[Danke]

I forget how many Ferraris did Steve McQueen drive?

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/8452/917pitlane3fp1.th.jpg (http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=917pitlane3fp1.jpg)

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5731/917pitlane2xj3.th.jpg (http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=917pitlane2xj3.jpg)

[made Man]

Made man, most of the 944's there were actually 951 Turbos (I don't know their model's that well). They held up just fine. They were a little slower than most, but one of the guys there has a lot of work done to his and he's an amazing driver. I didn't bother trying to keep up with him, I was on the track with him at portland and already had learned my lesson. lol

I was more intrested in how was it in the corners? As good as they say it is with the 50/50 weight ratio (really big go kart?)?

[PUREVIL]

End of discussion:

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What about Formula 1? I know ferrari had a domination the last few years but Im curious about the overall winner? Any ideas?

Phildo I never said the Ferrari was a drag racer? IM talking about the Corvette with its viet. suspension. HAHAHA