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    The Pagan Origins of Christmas

    After the Zeitgeist movie made it's rounds, most people were made aware of a few interesting things 'borrowed' from sources that predate Christianity.... namely that a birthday on Dec 25th is shared between so many deities because of the astrological connection to the motions of the winter sun in the sky... however, zeitgeist errs on the side of brevity since it's also trying to illuminate other truths that have been hidden from us...

    But for those interested in The Pagan Origins of Christmas....

    TL;DR: Your Christmas tree is a 'perverse' symbol of fertility. Enjoy your glowing testicle display.
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    And don't forget Santa is German. Best get the ack-ack guns ready ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky View Post
    And don't forget Santa is German. Best get the ack-ack guns ready ....

    I thought St. Nick was russian... or maybe he's jewish, like Jesus
    Jesus is Santa's son.. right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundercat View Post
    Jesus is Santa's son.. right?
    Duhh...didn't you see Star Wars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHIA View Post
    Duhh...didn't you see Star Wars?

    Why do families always fight at christmas ............
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    I could have told you that I knew Jesus was NOT born on December 25th way back when I was five years old. Everyone should know this. The reason why we celebrate Christmas on the same day that the ancient pagans celebrated their religious festivals for whatever pagan gods they worshipped is this:

    Initially in the Greco-Roman world Paganism was the most dominant religion. But then Christianity came on the scene and it grew quickly. Historians say that the percentage of the population that was Christian in the year 40 was about 0.0017. Year 100 was about 0.0126%. Year 200 had about 0.36%. Year 300 about 10.5%. Year 350 had about 56.5%. A growth of about 40% per decade. Emperor Constantine came on the scene in the early 300s. Contrary to what a lot of people say he wasn't a big contributing factor to the Christianizing of the Greco-Roman world he wasn't even a small contributing factor. His "Edict of Milan" merely called for the toleration of all religions. Now, what does all this have to do with Christmas? Well, with the steady conversion of the Greco-Roman world to Christianity a lot of the pagan celebrations were converted into Christian celebrations while keeping the same dates they were celebrated on. A lot of the celebrations were converted as well as certain traditions like the Christmas tree, gift giving and so on. The Christians who decided to do this had the intention of making it easier for pagans who wanted to switch over to Christianity.

    The fact that Christmas replaced a pagan celebration at some point in history does not mean Christianity has pagan roots. Rather it points to the fact that Christianity became big enough to replace the previously dominant set of religious beliefs namely paganism. That whole Zeitgeist thing is full of holes and half-truths. The people who put it together intend only to undermine Christianity, not present facts and truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkcbr View Post
    I could have told you that I knew Jesus was NOT born on December 25th way back when I was five years old. Everyone should know this. The reason why we celebrate Christmas on the same day that the ancient pagans celebrated their religious festivals for whatever pagan gods they worshipped is this:

    Initially in the Greco-Roman world Paganism was the most dominant religion. But then Christianity came on the scene and it grew quickly. Historians say that the percentage of the population that was Christian in the year 40 was about 0.0017. Year 100 was about 0.0126%. Year 200 had about 0.36%. Year 300 about 10.5%. Year 350 had about 56.5%. A growth of about 40% per decade. Emperor Constantine came on the scene in the early 300s. Contrary to what a lot of people say he wasn't a big contributing factor to the Christianizing of the Greco-Roman world he wasn't even a small contributing factor. His "Edict of Milan" merely called for the toleration of all religions. Now, what does all this have to do with Christmas? Well, with the steady conversion of the Greco-Roman world to Christianity a lot of the pagan celebrations were converted into Christian celebrations while keeping the same dates they were celebrated on. A lot of the celebrations were converted as well as certain traditions like the Christmas tree, gift giving and so on. The Christians who decided to do this had the intention of making it easier for pagans who wanted to switch over to Christianity.

    The fact that Christmas replaced a pagan celebration at some point in history does not mean Christianity has pagan roots. Rather it points to the fact that Christianity became big enough to replace the previously dominant set of religious beliefs namely paganism. That whole Zeitgeist thing is full of holes and half-truths. The people who put it together intend only to undermine Christianity, not present facts and truth.
    It doesn't take a lot to undermine Christianity, like all the other religions both past and current its born of stories and myths that came from religions that came before it. If you think you need to come to terms with Christmas then move on to "Easter", just another Christian big story day that is not of Christian origin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carla View Post
    It doesn't take a lot to undermine Christianity, like all the other religions both past and current its born of stories and myths that came from religions that came before it. If you think you need to come to terms with Christmas then move on to "Easter", just another Christian big story day that is not of Christian origin.
    Like I said in my previous post, the pagan celebrations were replaced with Christian ones for the purpose of making it easier for pagans who wanted to convert to Christianity. Christianity itself is based on the life of a real man who really existed. If you're going to say that he never existed then you're unfortunately mistaken. There is more historical documentation and evidence that Jesus was a real man than there is for many other major ancient figures such as people like Plato or Achilles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkcbr View Post
    If you're going to say that he never existed then you're unfortunately mistaken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkcbr View Post
    Like I said in my previous post, the pagan celebrations were replaced with Christian ones for the purpose of making it easier for pagans who wanted to convert to Christianity. Christianity itself is based on the life of a real man who really existed. If you're going to say that he never existed then you're unfortunately mistaken. There is more historical documentation and evidence that Jesus was a real man than there is for many other major ancient figures such as people like Plato or Achilles.
    Your off a mile on that one, he may have existed. The philosophers and writers of his time never mentioned him. Almost all of the written evidence of his life was written many years after his "maybe" existence but that part of the world was full of traveling religious zealots, lots of them suggesting they were the new Messiah so he may have existed which if he did proves nothing really. Mohamed, the main man for the Muslims existed for sure and he was well covered in current writings by the philosophers and writers of his time and what does that prove. Unless you believe in flying horses, which of course you probably don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carla View Post
    Your off a mile on that one, he may have existed. The philosophers and writers of his time never mentioned him. Almost all of the written evidence of his life was written many years after his "maybe" existence but that part of the world was full of traveling religious zealots, lots of them suggesting they were the new Messiah so he may have existed which if he did proves nothing really. Mohamed, the main man for the Muslims existed for sure and he was well covered in current writings by the philosophers and writers of his time and what does that prove. Unless you believe in flying horses, which of course you probably don't.
    Can you point me to some good reading material that explains what you're saying? I can do the same if you're interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkcbr View Post
    Can you point me to some good reading material that explains what you're saying? I can do the same if you're interested.
    If you simply read the history of the Christian religion that is not written by Christians you can find everything I've stated. The bible was written over many hundreds of years and copied many stories and myths from as far back as the Egyptians which was a couple of thousand years before Christianity; just like the Koran copied the bible in many areas both of them using reverse engineering. Its all documented but so what really, your going to believe whatever you want to and that's just fine. Angels, flying horses take your choice.

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    Really, no one in this thread seems interested in an open minded conversation. Which is typical of both persuasions.
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