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    Left turn with red light that won't change

    I just came from court and had to plead guilty. I feel it was entrapment. I want to know what is the legal thing to do when your at a left turn with its own red light, and the sensor doesn't work and the light docent change. What is the legal procedure? Any move you make is illegal. I know there are safer than others, but i want to know what is legal.
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    Turn right and go 'round the block.

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    Lean an old tire against the pole in question....fill the tire up with gas and light it.

    The city will be by tomorrow to repair the faulty light.....simple.

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    I actually will put my stand down because most of those sensors are trying to pick up some metal. Usually it works.

    Sorry about the ticket though... I feel your pain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthSquid View Post
    Turn right and go 'round the block.
    That is still illegal as you would have to cross the solid white line between the turn lane and the other lanes.
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    The sensors are actually large coils of wire (which is why most sensors look like they have a circular tar snake). The coil of wire is there to detect the slightest of magnetic signals generated by your rotating wheels or the natural magnetic field of the chassis.

    To enhance the chances of being detected on one of those sensors, just attach a reasonably strong magnet to your front forks and it'll work wonders.

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    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.13518

    However, if the light really is broken... there doesn't seem to be a way out... I guess the lesser of the evils here is to back up and go to your straight through lane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Green Meany View Post
    I just came from court and had to plead guilty. I feel it was entrapment. I want to know what is the legal thing to do when your at a left turn with its own red light, and the sensor doesn't work and the light docent change. What is the legal procedure? Any move you make is illegal. I know there are safer than others, but i want to know what is legal.
    It's hardly entrapment..

    But what to do?

    1) attempt to reposition to "get the sensor" - I try and stick to the outsides - or use the kick stand down on the "circle".
    2) If it still not working for you - and you have waited for 5 minutes at the light - then you could proceed. Because you are allowed to proceed at a malfunctioning light. If caught, you might still be issued a VT. To dispute - you would have to argue at court specifics - times, positioning, attempts to rectify.
    3) If you are on a 2 lane roadway - then make right turns, or continue straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kanelupis View Post
    The sensors are actually large coils of wire (which is why most sensors look like they have a circular tar snake). The coil of wire is there to detect the slightest of magnetic signals generated by your rotating wheels or the natural magnetic field of the chassis.
    Partially true.

    The loop on the ground is a coil with it's own magnetic field. The sensor picks up the change in the magnetic field of the loop of wire caused by a metal object entering into the loop. The bigger the object the bigger effect on the field. A motorcycle is normally large enough but the sensors are adjusted for sensitivity and can sometimes go out of whack. If you were positioned within the loop and it still didn't work after a suitable amount of time, (some can be quite long) then phone it in to the local traffic department for repair.

    One suggestion that I've heard is to put your bike right on top of one line making up the loop (as opposed to being in the middle of the loop). The theory is that the field is stronger there so your bike will have the most effect. I've been doing that and I haven't had a light that doesn't trip for many years.

    Attaching a magnet is useless and is bogus science perpetrated by fraudulent internet retailers. Don't fall for it.

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    do what harley does(they never have a problem with traffic lights)
    hang a big cast iron lump in the
    frame. that will have a huge effect
    on the magnetic feild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rawdonflyer View Post
    do what harley does(they never have a problem with traffic lights)
    hang a big cast iron lump in the
    frame. that will have a huge effect
    on the magnetic feild.
    A plate sized belt buckle, chains, rings, brass knuckles, an iron helmet with a spike on top...that might help too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AskACop View Post
    It's hardly entrapment..

    But what to do?

    1) attempt to reposition to "get the sensor" - I try and stick to the outsides - or use the kick stand down on the "circle".
    2) If it still not working for you - and you have waited for 5 minutes at the light - then you could proceed. Because you are allowed to proceed at a malfunctioning light. If caught, you might still be issued a VT. To dispute - you would have to argue at court specifics - times, positioning, attempts to rectify.
    3) If you are on a 2 lane roadway - then make right turns, or continue straight.
    I did that, went thru. its ilegal... the problem is theres no legal way out once your there. i spoke to the cop and told him my issue. i told the "women" judge. and basically unless you call a cop to help you.. you break the law no matter what you do. i will send a letter to the superintendent of icbc and ask him what he thinks and maybe remove my points due to the nature of the offense.
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    I always thought these were weight sensitive markers. My personal habit is if it wont change with just me on it, I'll move as far over and forward as I can to let the car behind me creep onto the spot and trigger it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikerider View Post
    Partially true.

    The loop on the ground is a coil with it's own magnetic field. The sensor picks up the change in the magnetic field of the loop of wire caused by a metal object entering into the loop. The bigger the object the bigger effect on the field. A motorcycle is normally large enough but the sensors are adjusted for sensitivity and can sometimes go out of whack. If you were positioned within the loop and it still didn't work after a suitable amount of time, (some can be quite long) then phone it in to the local traffic department for repair.

    One suggestion that I've heard is to put your bike right on top of one line making up the loop (as opposed to being in the middle of the loop). The theory is that the field is stronger there so your bike will have the most effect. I've been doing that and I haven't had a light that doesn't trip for many years.

    Attaching a magnet is useless and is bogus science perpetrated by fraudulent internet retailers. Don't fall for it.
    Quite correct. I worked on traffic signals for years as an electrician, and your explanation of their sensor functions is spot-on. If placing my bike on the corner of the loop doesn't work, then I roll it back and forth over the corner, most of the time this will help but not always. The sensor "sensitivity" can be set up to detect even a bicycle, so a phone call to the municipality should get someone out to adjust it.
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    There's a bicycle detecting loop in Burnaby, on Armstrong at Cariboo.
    It works !
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