Ok, so ive narrowed it down, between these two fine machines, I do a fair amount of wheeling, but I doubt i'll go out and run the new rubi as hard as I would my old one. I love the jeeps, convertible, fit the whole family, and dogs etc. But, I really dont dig gutless vehicles. Hence why Im looking at a ford raptor. Big power, but im sure, terrible mileage, but im not doing alot of commuting anyways. I love the luxuries of the raptor, and the comfort, but its about 10 g above my budget. Are the raptors terrible for doing a bit of wheeling? I know they are a desert truck, but the majority of the wheeling I do is following logging roads and such way out there and exploring. But I do like to throw down and take fun little trails once in a while with the jeep. But the raptor has a box, which is nice because I would use it alot. Hmmmm...feedback anyone? Bring on the peanut gallery!!