+1 / -1 ..... Seriously? How Does This Work Again?

# Thread: +1 / -1 ..... Seriously? How Does This Work Again?

1. ## +1 / -1 ..... Seriously? How Does This Work Again?

It appears no one has formally documented this formula. Yes I have done numerous searches. Everyone knows about it, but no one really talks about it. I didn't really understand it until just recently. Turns out it resides in an unwritten handbook that only S.O.'s hold as a tightly guarded secret.

It explains more about motorcycling than we will probably ever truly comprehend. After lifting the veil of secrecy, I think it's time that we all know the true nature of this formula, and it's devastating impact on our sport.

First rule of this mysterious formula is: the +1 can never be more than +1. It can't be +2, +3, +5 or even +10. Yes Stunters, that means you.

Second rule: The -1 can be any minus number. It can be -100, but for practical application it appears the acceptable limit is -10.

Now that we know the limitations of the +/- formula, here's how it applies using a few real world examples that we can all relate to.

It's Saturday, you already have approval from your S.O. for a day-ride on Sunday, but you are secretly texting your riding buddies about extending the day to include a burrito dinner stop stateside before coming home.

You are in a dilemna, do you disclose the plan and risk the stink-eye (and everything else that goes along with it) and ruin the rest of the day, surely resulting in the day ending in a -10. Or, do you keep it to yourself and do something special for your S.O. today, get +1 (remember, +1 is the max each day), and use that +1 on Sunday when you text them that you will be out for dinner?

How the rules apply:
First, there is no carry-over from one day to the next. Each day you start at zero (or less). So get that into your thick head.

You are better off to take all the minus points today, even at the risk that those carry over to the next day. Time itself will cause the ink to fade on some of these very large minus numbers. But don't be fooled, the ink never fades entirely.

The magnitude of what you do to earn a +1 has no bearing whatsoever on this system. Telling your S.O. you love them out of the blue in a special moment, offering to detail their car for 2 hours, driving all the way to Gravity & Pope to return their \$600 pair of boots, driving out to Merrit (twice) with the family to get the dog of their dreams, whisking them off to Maui for 10 days, etc. They are all only worth +1. Doing more than one in a given 24 hour period will net you, you guessed it, a max of +1.

You need to plan accordingly, and spread your efforts out over time, and invest only where needed. Being +1 on the day is absolute VICTORY!.

Unfortunately, the magnitude of what you do (or fail to do, or fail to do as expected) does have a bearing on the scale of the minus system. As noted above, -10 is teh accepted daily maximum. There are exceptions (no one will ever really know what these are), and unlike the plus system, these can carry over to the next day/week/month/year.......pretty much forever. This is why grovelling was invented.

Couple Other Observations:
I learned that +1's are not transferable between families, In other words, doing something special for a friend's S.O. has no impact on your own system. Even if the two S.O's are fully aware and joint acknowledge and accept the good deed, and even though they are fully capable of transferring the credit, they never will. The +1 will also never get credited to your friend. It's like throwing money away. The only value in these types of deeds is to get +1 with your friend's S.O., but the system is so complicated as it is, and this cross-family flow of currency is so corrupt, the exchange rates terrible, I highly recommend you refrain from this. If you do feel compelled, keep it simple, like tell them how nice their new shoes are, and keep it at that.

Try and defer your efforts to get +1 to later in the day. Yes, you will have less time enjoy being +1, but the odds of you getting -1's thoughout the day are significantly higher, so using it early means you risk an immediate correction with a -1 that was already locked and loaded and waiting to be fired. This is a tough decision and I don't really know what the consensus is here. I usually wait until at least noon to try and get a gauge on the day then put my plan in place. If I am already -3 by lunch, pffft, forget it, I'll keep it until tomorrow. What's the difference between going to bed at -5 and -6? I have also found it best to do a few subtle tests to get a better feel on how well it might be received. This way I won't waste my one chance.

+1's most certainly cannot be banked for long periods of time. They cannot be frozen like sperm to be re-used when convenient. Let's say you like to ride every Sunday for 6 months in the summer. That's 24 weekend days you are not with your S.O. and/or family. One would think that if the same consideration were given to your S.O. in the off season (ie: they take pole dancing lessons every Sunday for 6 months) that that somehow works out to be even. If you even remotely believe this, then you are completely lost, and you will need more help than anything that this thread can offer with the replies that ensue.

There it is............discuss.

2. Fuckin' A, I am definitely guilty of disguising how long the ride will take, only to text her at noon saying we'll be late. Forgiveness > permission.

3. Burrows is at a +19 right now

4. Originally Posted by Jaybo
Burrows is at a +19 right now
The fact that that is "correct" makes me wonder if you read past the first paragraph

5. For years I used to thinkig it was easier to ask forgiveness instead of permission ........ big time wrong.

The rest of that mathematical equation seems fairly accurate based on 24 years of marriage and 48 years of attraction to females.

Now I'm lucky in the fact that her 3 days off are on the first 3 of my 4 days off. That allows me 1 full day each week to go riding when/where/what speed I want. That works out great for both of us.

Now if you'll excuse me, it's my 4th day off, there is a new Aerostitch suit in the garage, a bike with insurance and the temperature is warm enough for me to get riding. I'm outta here!

6. One can NEVER get above zero. Period.

7. [QUOTE=Chyort]The fact that that is "correct" makes me wonder if you read past the first paragraph /QUOTE]

yep read the whole thing. When it wasn't about gearing my thoughts turned to hockey..

8. [QUOTE=Jaybo;1599176]
Originally Posted by Chyort
The fact that that is "correct" makes me wonder if you read past the first paragraph /QUOTE]

yep read the whole thing. When it wasn't about gearing my thoughts turned to hockey..
Ha, it isn't even the playoffs yet! Too many regular season games, I can't even be bothered to watch until April.

9. Originally Posted by TripleTime
One can NEVER get above zero. Period.
yes you can, BUT only if she's on the ride too on HER OWN BIKE. then that formula
works both ways and nobody is sleeping on the couch that night.

10. Sorry this does not compute...I divorced the bitch and now live with the "right" woman.

If there really is such a thing, but unlike the sounds of most men hear I have "BALLS" and the enjoy the fact that I don't have to "fib" or hide anything.

Just my 2 cents.

Gods luck ladies with the rating system seems like too much work.

11. I set the ground rules at the beginning. I stated that work will always come first since that's my business. We are both in IT, so she understands that sometimes hours are shite. She knows that I'm miserable unless either racing or riding in my off time, so as long as I spend 1/2 of that off time with her, I'm not very deep in the negatives. Until I hit -20, I really don't give two hoots anyways.

12. you sound like a fucking accountant , yet you dont come across as a boring stiff , wtf !

shutup , drop the numbers game and enjoy life

m2c

13. What the fack are you talking about????

Looks like CDG's fever is causing demtia.....

14. Originally Posted by TripleTime
One can NEVER get above zero. Period.
In my experience, you can get above zero (+1 only), but it's generally for a VERY short time period, and you need
to be absolutely strategic and smart (read lucky) as to when you are in the elusive "+1" state, and able to use it.

Many enter the +1 zone, from time to time, but do not even know they are there, or what to do with these powers.

This cannot be taught, it comes with experience, results will vary, and there are absolutely no guarantees of success.

There's no greater sense of accomplishment, than to recognize your position, realize the leverage you hold, capitalize
on the situation, and just go for it. Now, that said, there's always the risk that when you return from your mission, the
S.O. will drop some type of bomb that drives you firmly back into a -1 to -10 position, but hey, that's the cycle we live.

Once you become highly experienced, you start to plan these operations out for longer periods, sometimes hours, perhaps
days, and in very special circumstances weeks.....yes, it takes THAT much dedication to pull it off smoothly.

Now, before someone like PeeWee chimes in, and tells us all how he doesn't play that game, and that we are all whipped,
yada yada yada, do NOT believe it! This is only a mask that is worn to try and fool other men. The only reason I can see
anyone not admitting to this rule, is ego. They never want to be in a position where they have to tell the other boys they
were not "allowed". By not admitting to the +1 -1 system, they can effectively tell others it was "their" choice, YEAH RIGHT!

15. perfect example of chiarrhea

blah blah blah blahitty blah

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