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    Cops getting you down? New Laser jammer review.

    Check this out:
    Laser Jammer test/review.

    Don't forget to click on the test results page.



    With the Escort ZR-3 a bike would be pretty much invisible. LOL

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    Before you spend a bunch of $$$ on one of these there are some things to consider.

    Firstly having a "Jammer" operating on a vehicle would be considerd obstruction by the courts...what other reason could you give a judge as to why you had one installed?

    A trained LASER operator can detect when a Jammer is being used & will definitely stop you....just ask one.

    I have been told that you don';t have to target just the front plate..the headlight reflector, windshield and body itself also reflect the LASER

    The LASER units used in the tests in this article are not used by any of the Cops here in BC at least...they use other models that were not tested.

    Figure out the cost in Canadian $ and do the math.

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    Ok.... which laser units are they using here in B.C. then? Can't be anything too advanced judging by the double-brick sized ones I've seen. Don't forget targetting a big Cheby SUV is a lot easier than getting a reading on a bike.

    It's not true laser anyhow, otherwise the beam pattern wouldn't be so wide at distance.

    If your bike is painted flat black and has a dull cover over the headlight Mr. Officer shouldn't have any doubts about you using a lidar countermeasure as such a vehicle is nearly impossible to get a reflection off of. Same thing goes for a flat black Firebird with no front plate and the headlights down.

    Yes, unfortunately the ones that work are a WACK of money... sadly.

    As a side-note, I spotted a dark blue Ford Explorer on #1 by the Caribou exit, west-bound and he had a bald fellow pulled over on a blue/white Suzuki bike.
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    Er, laser beams suffer from defocusing due to the atmosphere AND poor optics. The police units are probably "real" LASERs, but I doubt that they have very advanced optics in order to keep the price down.

    It's easy to keep a laser focused at 1,000km, incidentally - just add money.

    I should trademark that.

    Just Add Money(tm).

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    Yo, check out this thread. Good discussion with lasers/lidars/cloaking devices......

    http://www.bcsportbikes.com/forum/sh...hlight=stealth


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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by westvan_dude
    [B]Ok.... which laser units are they using here in B.C. then? Can't be anything too advanced judging by the double-brick sized ones I've seen. Don't forget targetting a big Cheby SUV is a lot easier than getting a reading on a bike.

    They're using LTI 20 20s I believe...hear they cost about $9000 each. So much for cheap technology. Maximum range is up to 4kms and the reading is done in 1/3 of a second...at least what I have heard in court..
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    Concerning licence plate covers etc....they are illegal (check the MVA Regs on line)...can get you a $173 fine for "obstructed plate".

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    Well,

    From someone who has been using a K40 laser jammer for the last 5 years I have to say that they work.

    It was first installed on a 96 Ford Probe and now resides on my S/C SVT Focus.

    I have driven into numerous laser traps and in some cases had the operator look oddly at me but never have they pursued me.

    It's hardwired into the car and is really quite inconspicuous.

    Between using that and a laser/radar detector I have not recieved a speeding ticket. I do speed on a very regular basis maybe even excessively in some folks eyes.

    The other part of the equation is that just because I have these doesn't preclude me from paying attention and dropping down in my speed. Let's just say I use these as a safety cushion.

    My reason for having this equipment is simple, if the government is not going to deal effectively with individuals who do not take operating a motor vehicle seriously(ie: lack of attention, lack of use of signals, improper lane positioning, etc) and instead will try and obtain nothing more than a tax from those of us who do follow the other path; although probably quicker than some would like, I'll continue to use technology to challenge them as they use it to grab my cash.

    Drive in Europe or Australia and you will immediately notice the difference in the drivers awareness of what's around them and how they need to react and how the allow faster traffic to overtake without taking it as a personal issue.

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    Originally posted by gymguy
    Drive in Europe or Australia and you will immediately notice the difference in the drivers awareness of what's around them and how they need to react and how the allow faster traffic to overtake without taking it as a personal issue.
    Yeah in Australia it's now illegal to cruise in the fast lane unless overtaking, something that should be enforced over here.

    I hate having to pass between two cars all the time just because some jackass is camping in the fast lane. They had graduated licenses 15 years before us as well, which was another good idea.

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    Here's some more articles:
    http://www.radar.co.nz/usa/usarticle5.html
    http://www.state.il.us/court/Opinion...ml/4010094.htm (interesting case v.s. lidar in US)
    http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill...0/OpinionE.htm Israeli Police use of LTI 20-20
    http://www.lasertech.com/productline/ultraspec2.html (LTI ultra-compact 20-20 specs. There are actually many variations on the 20-20 model name)
    http://www.lasertech.com/productline/ultraspec1.html (more specs)
    http://www.blinder.net/test_results.html (test results from independent organization)
    http://www.speedlabs.com/ (all kinds of info here)
    http://www.lasertech.com/pulselaser.html (info on how range finders {& lidar} work)

    Yup, driving is Germany was really nice. No coneheads in the passing lane.


    Bison, the LTI Ultralyte LR shown in the test results link in my first post is equivalent or better than the 20-20. No idea on new price, saw one webpage which said $3500usd used and $5500usd new.
    Last edited by westvan_dude; 09-05-2003 at 01:53 PM.

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    The drivers in Oz, especially in Sydney (not as much in Adelaide) are very aggressive and yet very predictable.

    People in Sydney drive with their foot to the floor or not at all.
    But they sure know HOW to drive their Holden SS Utes down there.


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    I was in Germany for 25 months. The Police there have always ticketed cars in the fast lane. It's a good idea. But the RCMP would rather deal with somebody doing 10-20 over. In the cities the limit is 60-100kph and unrestricted (no limits) on the Autobahn. The Geen party tried to put limits on the autobahn in the 90's but it failed. It's nice to know the Gremans at least have their priorities straight. And I've seen the aussies version of a stock car race. V-8's, rear wheel drive, and a chassis more alkin to a modern car, not a truck like NASCAR. WTF happened to North America? We have both fingers in our ears, eyes closed and we're screaming "la,la,la,la,la.....".
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    Originally posted by westvan_dude
    Here's some more articles:
    http://www.radar.co.nz/usa/usarticle5.html
    http://www.state.il.us/court/Opinion...ml/4010094.htm (interesting case v.s. lidar in US)
    http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill...0/OpinionE.htm Israeli Police use of LTI 20-20
    http://www.lasertech.com/productline/ultraspec2.html (LTI ultra-compact 20-20 specs. There are actually many variations on the 20-20 model name)
    http://www.lasertech.com/productline/ultraspec1.html (more specs)
    http://www.blinder.net/test_results.html (test results from independent organization)
    http://www.speedlabs.com/ (all kinds of info here)
    http://www.lasertech.com/pulselaser.html (info on how range finders {& lidar} work)

    Yup, driving is Germany was really nice. No coneheads in the passing lane.


    Bison, the LTI Ultralyte LR shown in the test results link in my first post is equivalent or better than the 20-20. No idea on new price, saw one webpage which said $3500usd used and $5500usd new.
    Interesting to go to those links and read the field tests. Note that the Blinder site trumpets the success of it's product using an independant source as unbiased....looking at the letterhead of the business seems to me they are in the business of selling jammers. Some of the statements in that report I believe are untrue...the fact that white is the best colour to geta laser reading from....I heard the Cops say that it was red. They also talk about panning the laser at the target...as the unit needs to be stationary during the measurement period or the operator gets no reading, I can't see how this was an accurate test. As the single measurement is taken in 1/3 of a second, repeatedly shooting the target from outside its normal method of operation hardly makes for an accurate test. Makes me wonder if the whole thing is just BS so that you will buy their product.

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    In any case, sometimes I wonder about their accuracy when officers aim from way on the side of the road (cosine error) and that originally the technology was used to target flat objects for distance measurement, not complex 3 dimensional moving objects.

    Ya, the blinder test results sound a tiny bit biased. Don't forget those test results are 3-5 years old. The Blinder isn't the newest kid on the block. I'd put my money on the Escort but it's too bad they're so pricey.

    I saw a ZX12R in the classified section which was being sold with the Escort unit. Should ask the owner if it ever saved his/her azz.

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    I've been told that Cosine error is always in favour of the target...ie it shows you to be going slower than you really are, but a qualified operator would know that anyway wouldn't he/she?...and it would not result in you getting a ticket for a higher speed that what you are doing...quite the contrary.

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    Originally posted by Karl Hungus
    Yeah in Australia it's now illegal to cruise in the fast lane unless overtaking, something that should be enforced over here.

    I hate having to pass between two cars all the time just because some jackass is camping in the fast lane. They had graduated licenses 15 years before us as well, which was another good idea.
    It is now illegal top cruise in the left most lane of any 3 lane (1 way) or more lane highways in Ontario. The left lane is for passing, however, if you did this in Vancouver, coming in from Chilliwack, it would take you 15 hours to get there.

    The #1 needs to be upgraded to a 6 lane freeway, with another bridge added beside the Port Mann.
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