lowside accident avoidance?

1. ## lowside accident avoidance?

I've heard this term a few times: "I had to low-side it to avoid supermanning it over the car" or words to that effect.
What I don't get is (and maybe I'm just not experienced/good enough, although I did take the bc safety council course around 10 years ago) how fast do you have to be going to:
1. realize someone just cut in front of you
2. start braking and realize that you don't have enough room
3. think to yourself, "I don't have enough room to stop/avoid this, I better lay it down"
4. lay it down.

I just don't see it. Is "I low sided it to...." just a euphimism for 'too much right hand, oops' or 'braked like hell than sort of turned away and lost it'? Or can you guys really think and act that fast? or are you just simply fucking hauling ass in order to have that much time to think about it while you scramble to avoid it. Personally if it were ever to happen to me I figure I'd grab a hand-full of brake, and then a split second later 'whap!'. anything else and you'd have time to just stop or slow down enough to avoid, no?

-just curious.

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3. I may be wrong, but low-siding as a last resort doesn't seem to make that much sense. Sportbikes have such immense braking power...the second you decide to lay down your bike, you forgo the use of any of that power, and all you have now to stop you is the friction of your ass sliding down the road, or a collision with the solid object in front of you. If you could even stay on the brakes for another half second, imagine how much speed you'll scrub off (do a search, I think someone worked it out mathematically in an old post). Even if you have to superman it, it seems to me that flying over an object is better than sliding into it.

I can imagine rare exceptions where lowsiding might be the better choice, like if you're about to hit a truck bed and you lowside to slide underneath.

4. when i started riding, i went on a ride and was goign way past my limit, i got into a situation where i thought i was going to hit a cement barrier and then superman over the cliff as the bike stopped and i didnt, i tried to lay the bike down, to my suprise the bike stuck and cornered so i didnt crash or go over the cliff, but in this situation i had a lot of time to realize i was going to crash if i didnt do something. braking didnt seem like much of an option at what i felt to be a huge lean angle(it wasnt but i had only been riding a month) for straight line braking, i cant see this ever being a thought 'should i brake or lowside?' and not being so nob i stilll cant see this being an option, cause i have gained skills that i hope would let me try other things, probably successfully, than crashing

5. Originally Posted by Jayson
when i started riding, i went on a ride and was goign way past my limit, i got into a situation where i thought i was going to hit a cement barrier and then superman over the cliff as the bike stopped and i didnt, i tried to lay the bike down, to my suprise the bike stuck and cornered so i didnt crash or go over the cliff...

6. kinda :P

7. I think lowsiding while going in a straight line doesn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense. Now if you're going to hot into a turn, and you keep leaning over the bike while giving it a _bit_ of throttle to keep the weight on the rear ... well that could be a different story. I'm hoping not to find out.

8. During my last ugly expereince,I found that shit hit the fan real fast.I don't recall having any time to avoid anything.The only avoidance trick is to not get yourself into a situation in the first place.

9. I don't get that idea of laying the bike down. Sure there's always that one bizarre situation where it was a good idea but if you have time to think about laying it down......you had plenty of time to scrub off at least 40 clicks, or turn!

In my own experience, you don't do a whole lot of thinking in an situation like this. People with more experience might be able to stay concentrated and think of what to do but most people would be in panic mode.......and acting on their first impulse before they could even decide it was a good idea. Some of the stories I've read have been hilarious where someone gives a long account of the last 10 feet before they run into something that they can't avoid. I'd be lucky to get half the word 'shit!' out in that time.

Rule of thumb......don't put yourself in that situation. Keep your bike in top condition, practice your skills and hope you'll never need them.

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