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    Hey, I'm a first season rider and am thoroughly enjoying myself. I'm looking at taking the WCSS training to get some experience riding nearer to my limits in a controlled environment. Just two questions though. One, is 8000 klicks riding experience enough to give me enough of a base to work with so that this course will be worthwhile to me? Second, my bike is something less than a sportbike, it is relatively slow and heavy. Should I wait until I have a newer/lighter/more powerful bike to take the course?

    Any advice would be appreciated.
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    8000kms is enough riding experience. I've seen people take the ART course using larger/heavier bikes before. For example: BMWs, Ducati Monster 620s, TLRs (Hi Mike ).

    My advice: Take ART asap. You'll love it.
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    I think you'll be waiting until next year for an ART course. If you think you'll be buying a different bike next season, you might want to wait until you have it. But, really, it's never too soon to improve your riding skills.
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    As long as you don't have to mentaly think about how to change gears each time you shift you'll be OK. ART will improve your riding skills no matter what skill or cofidence level you are at. People learn at different rates so you can't ever tell by the kms you've ridden. Either way, once you have enrolled and done the class room session, you will be put into the group that will be best for your skill level. Newer calmer riders together and the wanna be racers in a different group.

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    I took the ART class last year with about 12,000 km riding experience under my belt (1.5 years) and had a gas. I learned a lot about how to handle my bike & what it could do. I rode my 2001 Bandit 600 S in the course, was the slowest out there, but still had a lot of fun.

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    i probably took mine with around 3000kms experience Maybe less... was great!
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    Hey Kamui, just curious since I've seen you ride at Boundary Bay. What did you get out of the ART course that you wouldn't have from BB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReelExterminato
    Hey Kamui, just curious since I've seen you ride at Boundary Bay. What did you get out of the ART course that you wouldn't have from BB?
    I saw you out at BB too and you're pretty quick! I would say that WCSS's major benefit over boundary bay is the instruction. Out at boundary bay, say if you were new, you could go and try pushing your bike further than before, but realistically, you do not have any real instructors telling you if what you're doing is right or wrong. I think that JUST doing BB for newbies wont dramatically increase their learning curve.

    At WCSS they go over quite a few things, and they do have a helmet cam system working, so you actually see how you ride and what you're doing. Go out for a session, come back and analyze what you're doing and what you can do differently. The instructors at WCSS have been doing this stuff for awhile, and not only can they ride well, they can teach too. Not everyone who can DO, can TEACH. Also, they do a few other drills like launching and hard braking.

    One other thing i noticed at BB... seems like some people are getting false information. Last time, (I wont mention who he was), someone crashed and he told me he was trying to "TRAIL BRAKE". He tells me he was trying to use the rear brake to slide out the rear and drift into the turn. Right away I'm like, uh.. that's NOT trail braking, that's sliding out the rear. Someone correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't trail braking applying the brakes into a turn all the way to the apex? It has nothing to do with sliding the rear! This can be pretty dangerous if relatively new riders are trying stuff like this. Unless you're riding a motard, this is like learning to run before you know how to walk.

    I think the best way to go is to get a good foundation at WCSS and then go out to BB to practice and have fun. Marcin, you're not a newbie but I think that you can benefit from WCSS. If you take the race school, i'm sure Troy and gang can teach you what you want to learn.
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    Gary, I couldn't agree with you more... at WCSS you get instruction and that's the key. I've never been to BB but you're right - as far as I've heard there's no instruction at all.

    I know when I took the ART course the videos sure did show how much I WASN'T doing (that I thought I was).

    Marcin, seriously consider taking the ART course or the Racer Training course next year - you will notice a big improvement in your riding.
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    Thanks for the replies, guys. Yep, I definately want to take the race course next year so I can play out at Mission. The part about instruction makes sense. I've only been riding for just a bit over a year, so I do still feel like a newbie . I kinda feel like I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be doing out there. I forgot about the helmet cam part, that I am definately looking forward to. AFter wiping out twice, I'm afraid to lean it over, partly because I don't know how far I'm leaning, and how much further I can. Seeing a vid should help, and it'll be nice to get instructions on what to do, as opposed to tidbits of information here and there. Gary, is your bike scratched up enough to do the race course this spring? I think it's cheaper, $250, if youve already done ART

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReelExterminato
    Thanks for the replies, guys. Yep, I definately want to take the race course next year so I can play out at Mission. The part about instruction makes sense. I've only been riding for just a bit over a year, so I do still feel like a newbie . I kinda feel like I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be doing out there. I forgot about the helmet cam part, that I am definately looking forward to. AFter wiping out twice, I'm afraid to lean it over, partly because I don't know how far I'm leaning, and how much further I can. Seeing a vid should help, and it'll be nice to get instructions on what to do, as opposed to tidbits of information here and there. Gary, is your bike scratched up enough to do the race course this spring? I think it's cheaper, $250, if youve already done ART
    I was planning on taking the race course next year, but not really planning to race at mission. I'm still undecided whether I will or wont take the course. My bike is scratched up yah haha, but i also got track skins which gives me some peace of mind. However, if i were to take the course, i'd do the second one and not the first... me no likey rain
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    IMO It is Constructive Criticism that can help you out a lot. With anything really, and I believe the vids of yourself will really help you too. Anyone willing to take constructive criticism for what it is, and not get insulted will learn the fastest!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReelExterminato
    I think it's cheaper, $250, if youve already done ART
    I dunno about that...
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    My wife did the Mike Sullivan Race School this year with Action in September, and she only had 9000 km's under her belt. She rides a GS500E though, which is easy to control. I would say that as long as you are comfortable enough with the bike such that the controls are all intuitive, and you don't have to think about it to shift, turn, brake, etc., you're good to go.

    And I concur with what everyone says. Playing follow the leader and being followed by Mark Kruger or Steve Dick really helps.

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    Q: If I have taken the Advanced Rider Training, is it necessary to take the complete Racer Training for the Track course in order to obtain a competition license?
    A: No, you will only need to complete the classroom session and the track instruction out at Mission Raceway to obtain your competition license. The cost is $250.00, which goes towards the extra instruction, your track day at Mission and the cost of your competition license. You may also attend the optional bike preparation session.

    http://westcoastsuperbikeschool.com/FAQ.htm

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