i just got a pair i ordered off the net. (ups brokerage fees, tariffs, sizing, etc. don't get me started, i know, i'll buy locally next time.) anyway i'm thinkin of sending them back. they don't fit under my jacket sleeve and when i wear them over the jacket they are annoying and twist the whole sleeve with 'em. on the plus though is the amount of protection they offer. they are a-stars, gp plus. the thing is it won't protect me much if i never wear 'em cause the whole sleeve thing. anyway any opinions or previous experience with this kind of thing? your comments are appreciated.