anybody have a recomendation for chest protector?
some protection on the front will be a good idea.
I'm considering buying one of the Dainese back protectors with the vests and the chest protection, think it is the Gillet wave 2 or something. It's going to have to wait a bit though.
icon has a vest / back protector that is pretty nice
i bought the astar bionic jacket.
I've got all the field armour and it's fairly comfy but, Since I now am ridin' Commando fulltime I passed on the padded shorts
Originally Posted by kaos
"Exhale" by Noah
the T-pro seems most promising to me, i guess i'll try that since it's the only one that really passed any standard test.
any more advice?
It's definitely the best choice of motorcyclist-specific pieces, but the "meets level 1 standard" line is kind of bs. There is no standard for chest protection, and the back protector standard requires a coverage area down the back that is not incldued in that piece. The rib coverage is also much greater around the sides than the back protector standard requires.
Originally Posted by Monkey biker
I think the point they are trying to make is that it will pass those impact energy levels and force transmission reuirements. While I'm not appreciative of them using statements like that(a little Bohn-esque), I do trust them more than any other company for meeting the standards and in the case of most of their protectors going above and beyond the baseline mininums by a wide margin.
Did you read the stuff I posted on the R6 board? I'll paste it here too for anybody that might get something out of this thread:
I think a horse rider's vest is probably the best available option for overall torso protection and coverage. One that passes the BETA 2000 Level 3 standard, which requires them to meet the lower levels of force, only 4kN at which ribs break. The impact energy(drop height/weight) used is slightly less than the motorcyclist standard for back protectors, 45 Joules vs 50 Joules. There are only a couple that pass that level of force, and most motorcyclist-specific pieces don't offer the coverage area, or can't limit the forces to those levels.
Helimot still only implies that theirs is made for comfort, but alludes to them using the same materials as their other armor, all of which is not CE-certified or shown with any type of performance data. Originally, they said their chest piece was simply to cushoin a rider laying against the tank, they say they've updated the design with similar materials to their back protector, but still don't say that is capable of real crash protection, or provide any type of impact absoprtion data even for their back protectors.
Impact Armor is similar. They started with an old T-pro design from the '90s and have been producing similar looking protectors to those old T-pro's. I don't know if they've come up to speed with the current CE standard forces, it certainly doesn't look like it with the materials. The owner refused to discuss any performance issues when emailed a while back. I got the feeling he didn't really know how much energy they are capable of managing or how much force was transmitted through them, or he knew they weren't capable of the current CE required numbers and didn't want that out.
And whatever you do, steer clear of Bohn, they've got a sordid history of phony CE claims, and if you look at their marketing blurbs for their piece, they don't even mention impact protection. Real shady and probably not an effective piece of armor for any kind of apporpriate protective levels.
For further clarity about all these guideleines of protective levels and performance proof, there's a CE standard(legal standard for Europe, kind of like DOT for helmets in the US) for limb impact protectors and also one for back protectors. There's the Cambridge high-performance standard for limb armor, and there's a standard for horse riders with the identical British Equestrian Trade Association(BETA) and the CE Horse riders body protector standard. There's also CE standards available for other aspects of motorcycling-specific protective gear as well, like outer clothing, gloves and boots that specifies other areas and issues of protective concern besides just impact protection. While that gets too complicated or involved for some that would prefer to use hail mary's instead of lab testing or data, I don't think it's in our best interest to buy anything for our protection and safety without some sort of tangible proof of efficacy like the kind those labels offer, especially when we are asking for "the best" to suit our needs and expecting real solutions.
Within all that talk of impact energy and force levels, I wish we could say these differences amounted to splitting hairs, but I think there is still a lot of room for improvement here, even at the highest levels of performance, information, and options. Basically, once a level of force at the point for which the injuries we are seeking to prevent or minimize is established, then you can set a level of impact energy to make impact protectors compliant to those neccessary levels to create a range of usefulness. That really hasn't happened within the motorcycle protective gear world. 50 Joules is fairly apporpriate as a drop height/mass to use for testing of impact protectors, but the products haven't been designed to break a fall to the point at which the injuries we hope to prevent will occur at those heights/mass requirements when speaking of the ribs and spine. The chest seems to be an all but forgotten area of the body, even within the available motoryclist guidelines, completely unspecified for protection, except within the available equestrian rider guidelines.
For more info on motorcyclist chest injuries though, here's some numbers from a fairly recent European study of road accidents and injuries, they still seem fairly rare, regardless, though I still would like to have an appropriate amount of rib protection in case of an event:
Proportion of all motorcycle casualties with injuries to the chest:
* Proportion of all injured riders: 19%
* Proportion with soft tissue injuries: 12%
* Proportion with fractures: 9%
Chest injuries can include internal injuries although these are relatively rare (7%).
Chest injuries are most likely to be caused in an impact with another vehicle (Otte, 2002).
(When you consider that fact, almost any amount of impact energy seems fairly insubstantial within testing, though the chest is most liekly not struck directly by the moving mass of a car. If yoou watch some videos of the Dainese or Astars airbag vests, you'll notice the crash dummies striking the bikes handlebars or gas tank chest first pretty violently though in the collision)
And here's a list of all of those CE standards available for various motorcyclist protecitve clothing and needs:
Last edited by license2ill; 04-16-2006 at 07:17 PM.