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    Riding on the shoulder...

    I don't have a bike yet, but I've been reading for months now and plan on taking the Action course in February so I can start riding next season.

    Introductions aside, I was driving to Burnaby from Langley today on Highway 1, trying desperatly to enjoy my 50 minute commute for a meager 65km trip. As I slowly creeped toward the Port Mann to freedom on the other side, I noticed that the shoulder on my left-hand side could easily fit a bike with lots of room to spare.

    Now, I understand that would likelybe much more dangerous than just sitting in traffic, and you'd more than likely end up passing the popo really quickly. How much could someone expect to pay if they were caught on the shoulder, and how many points would you get for a ticket like that, if any? Also, if some frustrated cager gets your plate and reports you driving on the shoulder, can anything actually be done to you?

    I actually don't think I'd lane split/ride on the shoulder, but I'm just wondering what would happen. Not sure of the exact legalities. Sorry if it's a repost; I did a quick search and nothing came up.

    Thanks a ton.

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    Softailgranny
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    Congrats on the decision to ride. Do the course. as far as riding the shoulder when traffic is slow/stopped...just remember the fellow 2 months ago out in the valley. He was riding the shoulder...a drunk took him out. he's alive but paralyzed. not worth the few minutes it might save you. there's always the part also that if you were riding the shoulder and there is an accident( even not your fault).....riding the shoulder is illegal. It could make for a real nasty time trying to deal with ICBC. again, not worth it. it's dangerous enough out there, don't be do'n stuff that puts you at risk that you can controll.

    how many more "sleeps" till the course? WhooHoooo

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    Registered User Array Tengu's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kibble
    Not sure of the exact legalities. Sorry if it's a repost; I did a quick search and nothing came up.
    You'll get a ticket for riding on the shoulder, why a cop would wait in stand still traffic is beyond me.

    Used to commute across the port mann daily taking the shoulder with no problems.

    Quote Originally Posted by Softailgranny
    He was riding the shoulder...a drunk took him out. he's alive but paralyzed. not worth the few minutes it might save you.
    I dont disagree. Its illegal and not the safest thing to do. However if you commute that way daily it can save more than a few minutes. . . .
    I'd just do it as safely/slowly as possible in dead stop or 10k/hr traffic.
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    Dont be a dick Array Driftland's Avatar
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    People get caught all the time riding the right hand shoulder, but the left hand shoulder thats a whole other story, your usually good if you ride that one its just more dangerous. I find alot of oil on the left side when i ride.

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    I commute on Alex Fraser and just entering the bridge both ways is pretty heavy in rush hour. I hop on the left shoulder frequently but at a slow pace, maybe 10-15kph. If your going faster than that you may not be able to react fast enough.

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    Oops, I mean right shoulder...

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    Bitey things are niceless Array Ready2Ride's Avatar
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    I commute daily and consider using the shoulder daily as well. Here's some tips. Leave yourself almost enough time to get there without using the shoulder because when you do, you have to be focused on nothing but your riding. I've had everything from smart cars to mac trucks try to send me into the ditch. I've reached back and smacked the hood of a truck that was tailgaiting me up to an exit. I've had guys on hogs go racing by me weaving through traffic, and I've had guys just pull out in front of me to stop me from passing them. You need to focus on nothing but your ride or you're dead, never mind the ticket (sorry, I don't know what that's worth yet). Some other pointers... take it slow, you don't want to surprise a cager in their coffee induced comma into doing something you don't expect. Get back in traffic for the on-ramps, they're just an added risk you don't need to deal with. If traffic is at a DEAD STOP for more than normal times, ask yourself why... might there be a cop up there and everyone just wants to see what's going on? You get the idea. I'm not promoting shoulder riding by any means, but if you're gonna do it, pick your spots, look 7km ahead all the time, and expect bad things to happen. The best thing to keep in mind is know when to just relax and sit in traffic. Best of luck out there.
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    $109 - passing on the right - 2 points

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    can you ride on the shoulder if your bike has overheating problem?...air cooled bikes...can you use that as an excuse if you get pulled ovr by a cop???.....i remember somone suggested that on his post before......hmmmm....cant remember who it was.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Driftland
    People get caught all the time riding the right hand shoulder, but the left hand shoulder thats a whole other story, your usually good if you ride that one its just more dangerous. I find alot of oil on the left side when i ride.
    If we're talking Hwy #1 I've never seen a cop around the port mann especially around rush hour.

    Actually I never see cops on #1 in bumper to bumper traffic unless there's an accident.
    (commuted 2+ yrs)

    Why would they hang around just to catch the odd bike on the shoulder as there aren't going to be any speeders.
    Unless you're speeding on the shoulder

    Quote Originally Posted by flipKawiguy
    can you ride on the shoulder if your bike has overheating problem?...air cooled bikes...can you use that as an excuse if you get pulled ovr by a cop???.....i remember somone suggested that on his post before......hmmmm....cant remember who it was.....
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    Bitey things are niceless Array Ready2Ride's Avatar
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    I once used the overheating bike excuse with my 84 fj600, but I told him I was only going up to the emergency pull out to let it cool. I think I only got away with it because we were like 60' from the pull out and it was about 38 degrees out! So, lets start there... That's 1 cop... Plus the guy that pulled my buddy over 2 days in a row IN FEBURARY!!! and I see them all the time just before the port mann at the emergency turn around in the median, and watch around the HOV lane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flipKawiguy
    can you ride on the shoulder if your bike has overheating problem?...air cooled bikes...can you use that as an excuse if you get pulled ovr by a cop???.....i remember somone suggested that on his post before......hmmmm....cant remember who it was.....
    For sure...."sorry officer but I had to ride on the shoulder because my bike was over heating!......"

    "Really? it was overheating?"

    "yes sir it was..."

    "Oh jeeze, I'm sorry for pulling you over then, you had better get going sir!"

    "Crap, even better, you had better let me give you an a police escort through traffing then LOL....hehehehe!"
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    Dont be a dick Array Driftland's Avatar
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    My father is a Cop, his men are allways busting people riding the right shoulder on the number 1 in surrey, I know because he allways warns me when i go to visit him. I saw 2 Harleys get busted just over a week ago. But yeah i still do it all the time.

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    It is no more legal to drive down the paved shoulder on a bike than in a Smartcar or Peterbilt. Convenience of fit has nothing to do with making it more OK for a bike than a car or truck.

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    We've hashed out the MVA in other threads on this topic, and it's pretty clear that it's illegal and ticketable for riding on the right shoulder.

    What's not clear is whether it's ticketable on the left shoulder. The MVA states that you can't ride on a surface that's not improved for travel, but I don't think a smooth, paved shoulder qualifies. You also can't change lanes over a solid white line, but the left shoulder has a solid *yellow* line. And the MVA says that you can pass on a solid yellow, when it is safe to do so.

    So far, the people who have been ticketed for passing on the left have been cited for unsafe driving or some such, not for any "passing on right" clause. Probably because there *is* no "passing on left" clause with which to nail you.

    Now... You *can* pass another vehicle *in it's own lane*, if you pass it on the left side. The MVA allows this the same way it allows two bikes to ride side-by-side in one lane, or three if one is passing the other two. So if you can lanesplit up the left side of a car, without crossing any lines, you're golden. But it's that much more dangerous, as you're passing that much closer to a car that hasn't a clue what you're doing.
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