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    Canadian, U.S. and Mexican officials held secretive meeting on integration

    By Kelly Patterson
    CanWest News Service

    02/08/07 "Ottawa Citizen" -- -- OTTAWA - Canadian, U.S. and Mexican politicians discussed using "stealth" to overcome public resistance to the integration of the three countries at a confidential meeting last year, according to documents just released under U.S. Freedom of Information laws.

    Top military brass, corporate executives and diplomats also attended the meeting in Banff, Alta., where participants discussed everything from the harmonization of food and drug standards, to common immigration policies, and the pooling of energy resources.

    The secret guest list of the North American Forum included then-U.S. secretary of defence Donald Rumsfeld, Canadian Chief of Defence Staff Gen. Rick Hillier, Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day, Pengrowth Corp. CEO James Kinnear and Lockheed Martin executive Ron Covais.

    Presentation outlines for the forum acknowledge that the concept of North American integration - which some call a "North American Union" - is unpopular, and note that it might be tough to sell as a concept.

    "While a vision is appealing, working on the infrastructure might yield more benefit and bring more people on board ('evolution by stealth')," the notes said.

    "Evolution by stealth" means using regulatory changes, such as food- and drug-safety benchmarks, which don't require parliamentary approval, to lay the infrastructure for North American integration. This allows for change with little or no public debate, critics say.

    Media were excluded from the September forum, and Day, who gave a speech at the event, declined to reveal the contents of his talk.

    "It was meant as a private meeting," said Melisa Leclerc, a spokeswoman from Day's office, although she conceded he attended "in his capacity as minister for public security."

    "It is not encouraging to see the phrase 'evolution by stealth' in reference to important policy debates such as North American integration," said Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, a Washington-based conservative watchdog group that obtained the documents last week.

    But, former finance minister John Manley, who attended the meeting, said the forum was "not part of a nefarious plan to yield sovereignty to the U.S. .... It was just some informed private citizens and government officials having a conversation" on how best to co-operate to ensure their citizens enjoyed a safe and prosperous future.

    In fact, he said, Canada comes out stronger than ever from such meetings, which force "some senior American officials to think about Canada for a few days."

    However, Maude Barlow of the Council of Canadians said the reference to stealth is "a very telling and important statement."

    Many of the politicians who attended the forum have been pursuing "integration by stealth" for the past two years, she said, pointing to a little-known but top-priority agreement called the Security and Prosperity Partnership.

    The accord, kickstarted by U.S. President George W. Bush, then-prime minister Paul Martin and former Mexican president Vicente Fox at a 2005 meeting in Waco, Texas, is designed to streamline everything from food and drug safety standards to counter-terrorism measures.

    Government officials from the three countries are expected to meet in Ottawa later this month. However, Foreign Affairs spokespeople said they did not yet know when it would be held or who would attend.

    The partnership's stated goal is to protect North America from security threats such as terrorism and flu pandemics as well as economic threats from new global-market giants such as China.

    Many of the accord's measures are not contentious, such as plans to improve water quality, reduce sulphur in fuels, and co-ordinate efforts to fight pandemics and avian flu. But it also covers a host of hot-button issues such as plans to enhance data-sharing on high-risk travellers, revamp safety and environmental regulations, centralize the assessment of new chemicals and rework food safety standards.

    Most of the 300 policy recommendations within the accord may not require legislative changes, the Council of Canadians said.

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    It is all about trucks and trains. They want the truckers to be able to drive two and from each country without slowing down for things like boarders.

    Net result: Canada gets US guns, USA gets more mexican quazi-persons, and Mexico gets ... well I am not sure they get much of anything bad.

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    I'm pretty torn on this. It's frustrating to have to cross an international border every time I want to go somewhere warm in the winter. I'd welcome a united North America if it meant I could move to Hawaii on a whim.
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    The new world order! We're on the way to a one world government. This is scary shit.

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    I'd welcome a united North America if it meant I could move to Hawaii on a whim.
    Gee that sounds nice. What about when all of Rathole Alabama wants to move next door to you?

    Can't have it both ways.

    Really, what this is looking like is an attempt to position a fourth level of government on people. We've already got municipal/county governments, plus provincial/state governments and then a federal/confederal government in Ottawa/Washington on top of that. Heck, those of us in the GVRD already even have a secondary muncipal government, which would bring our count to five levels of government. We also get to likely pay more taxes and fees to cover the cost of a new level of government.

    How does more government fix anything?
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    I wouldn't worry about Inbred Jed from 'Bama moving to the lower mainland. They live in Alabama because you can rent a trailer for $100 per month. That price won't even get you a parking space in Vancouver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tattoodles View Post
    I'd welcome a united North America if it meant I could move to Hawaii on a whim.
    Wel... after the novelty wears off, you might find yourself missing the liberties that you actually lost, but hey, beggars can't be choosy.

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    I wouldn't worry about Inbred Jed from 'Bama moving to the lower mainland. They live in Alabama because you can rent a trailer for $100 per month. That price won't even get you a parking space in Vancouver.
    Yep, but all they're going to hear is that the welfare rate is several times that of Alabama and the bus will be loading up.
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    All a moot point because I'll be living in Hawaii. So there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tattoodles View Post
    All a moot point because I'll be living in Hawaii. So there.


    It's all good until you get imprisoned, without charge, because the wrong man caught you checking you out his wife, and she liked it!

    I take it you're not Muslim- or at least that you're not a brown Muslim. While it may seem that the civil rights granted to you, your family, and your friends, aren't about to be compromised if Canadians are less protected against American governance, it only seems that way because in the beginning, fascist regimes only pick on the minorities that aren't so closely guard by the unsuspecting majority. It's amongst our vulnerable, unpopular minorities that new societal norms will be established, as a necessary precaution against illogical fantasies like "islamofascism". It is by isolating and abusing these peoples' civil rights that tyrannical regimes will be allowed to take form. And it's from this foothold that these tyrants may see it best to start jamming their collective dick into your or your family's ass, too.

    Some rights are more important than others, and I would hope that my fellow Canadians would be prudent enough to preserve those rights. The US government has already stripped its citizens of many of their civil liberties, via Patriot Act I & II, along with other bills that have navigated through congress and the senate, such as the indefinate suspension of habeas corpeus, which I wrote about months ago. We don't want to open our laws up to these lords, nor should allow our elected officials to think they can get away with the same sort of thing.

    With that said, not enough people are going to wake up until it's too late, and you're all going to rot in gigantic debtor-compounds!

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    I couldn't agree more.

    But I still wanna live in Hawaii.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tattoodles View Post
    But I still wanna live in Hawaii.
    Because of the beaches? The girls? Go to Brazil, instead! It's got all of that, plus, we get to terrorize the cagers with impunity.

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