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    moto-tour routing (Princeton-Vernon-Lake Louise) request/plea!?

    I'd like to request your assistance, with the fine tuning of a professional motorcycle tour through southern BC. I have a friend that works for an international motorcycle tour company; He has asked me to help him w/scouting & implementing a new route in their western Canada tour.

    Most of the tour is already planned, but he's asked me for some assistance, w/the following two southern BC days:

    Princeton to Vernon

    Vernon to Lake Louise

    Any suggestions you can make with respect to routing, accomodations, restaurants, history, points of interest, scenic vantage points, etc. would be greatly appreciated.

    I can't offer you any remuneration, except for the knowledge that your input may end up changing the way numerous international moto-tourers experience this side of our fine country.

    Time is essential; So, please respond ASAP.

    Thanks for your efforts...
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    To introduce tourists to the riding/country between Princeton and Vernon, there are only two ways, and neither of them include the Coquihalla connector.
    From Princeton, north on 5A to Merritt, then north on 5A to Kamloops. From there, east on the TCH and south to Vernon via Barnhartvale onto 97C, or conversely, east on TCH to Salmon Arm, south on Salmon River Road, turning off into Armstrong to go via the Asparagus Theatre, into Vernon.

    The other route involves going (from Princeton) east on 3 to Osoyoos, up 97 via all the lakes, vineyards and wineries, only detouring at Oliver to the east, onto White Lake Road to visit the Observatory.

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    Excuse my sarcasm but really...


    An international touring company trying to get free help to lay out a tour BC route

    I suggest you post up the current route and itinerary for us to see and maybe someone will comment on it.

    Why would they not do what the other tour operators do and send or hire pay someone to ride loops lay out routes, inspect in person hotels,. and get the lay of the land?

    You have 14 posts on here.

    May I suggest that you at least use google and the search function before trying to get free help for a profit making business.

    Who is the tour operator? Why can't you provide us with a link to their website and their name or is it a new business?

    I can't imagine any of the tour operators that Micahel and I know of looking for information this way...this seems odd to me butthen I have been riding in 38 C heat for a week
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    Quote Originally Posted by bill View Post
    Excuse my sarcasm but really...


    An international touring company trying to get free help to lay out a tour BC route

    I suggest you post up the current route and itinerary for us to see and maybe someone will comment on it.

    Why would they not do what the other tour operators do and send or hire pay someone to ride loops lay out routes, inspect in person hotels,. and get the lay of the land?

    You have 14 posts on here.

    May I suggest that you at least use google and the search function before trying to get free help for a profit making business.

    Who is the tour operator? Why can't you provide us with a link to their website and their name or is it a new business?

    I can't imagine any of the tour operators that Micahel and I know of looking for information this way...this seems odd to me butthen I have been riding in 38 C heat for a week
    It does sort of sound un professional
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    I fully agree with Bill. This is what I do for a living and I would never think about taking clients on route, or even to a resturant that I have not previously scouted. It's not a fast buck buisness, you need to spend some time and money doing some scouting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bill View Post
    An international touring company trying to get free help to lay out a tour BC route
    LOL yep, try DIY freeloader.

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    why dont you just do a starbucks tour....plot your route through starbucks website. there everywhere, so you wont get too lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bill View Post
    Excuse my sarcasm but really...


    An international touring company trying to get free help to lay out a tour BC route

    I suggest you post up the current route and itinerary for us to see and maybe someone will comment on it.

    Why would they not do what the other tour operators do and send or hire pay someone to ride loops lay out routes, inspect in person hotels,. and get the lay of the land?

    You have 14 posts on here.

    May I suggest that you at least use google and the search function before trying to get free help for a profit making business.

    Who is the tour operator? Why can't you provide us with a link to their website and their name or is it a new business?

    I can't imagine any of the tour operators that Micahel and I know of looking for information this way...this seems odd to me butthen I have been riding in 38 C heat for a week
    Your sarcasm is fine...it's your ignorance & consequent negativity that's not excused.

    The tour company is not trying to get free help, I am. The tour company is paying one of their guides to fly here from overseas, to recon. & improve upon an existing tour in their portfolio, thereby providing their clients w/the best possible experience they can. The guide is a friend of mine. He emailed me for suggestions (as I live here & he doesn't) & I thought this forum would be a useful tool to help all parties involved.

    I do not represent said company & therefore I am not at liberty to divulge their current route/itinerary in a public forum such as this. Thankfully, someone (Michael) did, constructively, comment - before you managed to derail the thread with your omniscient, holier than thou attitude. Note how helpful all the postings were after yours.

    They are doing exactly as you suggested they do. Ever heard of the term "networking"? Ever asked someone else for help? Or are you the type of person that would rather break through a brick wall with your thick skull, before asking your friend, who just so happens to own a sledgehammer, to lend you a hand?

    You have over 1000 posts on here. What's your point? That I spend too much time riding & not enough time instigating confrontations from behind the anonymous safety of my keyboard? Why would I want to communicate with people like you? Life's too short. Fortunately there are many decent people on BCSB; Unfortunately, they're a lot quieter than the rude ones.

    May I suggest that if you've got nothing positive to contribute, then just STFU & move on to the next thread? I'm not trying to get free help for a business. I'm attempting to help a friend, that's just doing his job. By the sounds of it, you're much more familiar with the school of hindrance though - so perhaps you wouldn't understand.

    As I already stated - I don't represent them & therefore, I won't name them. It's not a new company, they're very well established. May I suggest that you at least use google and the search function before requesting that I spoon feed you? If you were to name three international motorcycle touring companies, it would probably be one of the three - if not the first.

    Once again, this thread was not started by any tour company - it was started by me, a simple, 14 post, BCSB registered user. 38 degrees is a lot, for a week of riding; maybe you should log off & drink some water...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdub View Post
    Your sarcasm is fine...it's your ignorance & consequent negativity that's not excused.

    The tour company is not trying to get free help, I am. The tour company is paying one of their guides to fly here from overseas, to recon. & improve upon an existing tour in their portfolio, thereby providing their clients w/the best possible experience they can. The guide is a friend of mine. He emailed me for suggestions (as I live here & he doesn't) & I thought this forum would be a useful tool to help all parties involved.

    I do not represent said company & therefore I am not at liberty to divulge their current route/itinerary in a public forum such as this. Thankfully, someone (Michael) did, constructively, comment - before you managed to derail the thread with your omniscient, holier than thou attitude. Note how helpful all the postings were after yours.

    They are doing exactly as you suggested they do. Ever heard of the term "networking"? Ever asked someone else for help? Or are you the type of person that would rather break through a brick wall with your thick skull, before asking your friend, who just so happens to own a sledgehammer, to lend you a hand?

    You have over 1000 posts on here. What's your point? That I spend too much time riding & not enough time instigating confrontations from behind the anonymous safety of my keyboard? Why would I want to communicate with people like you? Life's too short. Fortunately there are many decent people on BCSB; Unfortunately, they're a lot quieter than the rude ones.

    May I suggest that if you've got nothing positive to contribute, then just STFU & move on to the next thread? I'm not trying to get free help for a business. I'm attempting to help a friend, that's just doing his job. By the sounds of it, you're much more familiar with the school of hindrance though - so perhaps you wouldn't understand.

    As I already stated - I don't represent them & therefore, I won't name them. It's not a new company, they're very well established. May I suggest that you at least use google and the search function before requesting that I spoon feed you? If you were to name three international motorcycle touring companies, it would probably be one of the three - if not the first.

    Once again, this thread was not started by any tour company - it was started by me, a simple, 14 post, BCSB registered user. 38 degrees is a lot, for a week of riding; maybe you should log off & drink some water...
    A very well written comeback, good job.

    Through the Okanagan and then the Kootenays is the better route in my opinion. Up through the Needles and Crawford Bay ferries and then staying on the backroads in the Kootenay region before heading north to Lake Louise. That would give the option of visiting Glacier National Park (http://www.nps.gov/glac/) and riding an absolutely fantastic strip of asphalt.

    What style of machines would this group be riding? There are a few gravel roads that see some interesting sights along the north side of the Skeena between Hazelton and Prince Rupert if they are interested. Very doable on pure street bikes, just not as comfortable as pavement.
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    Ah!
    And here I was playing the straight man...just like my response to the fellow who wants to move here, opining there are no "training schools," and wants to know what he needs to start one.....

    I clearly need to ride more.

    For the record: Bill is a friend of mine, and we've shared many, many a road mile, meal, discomfort, laugh and tragedy together. I admire and respect his work, riding, and moral ethics more than anyone I've ever met, and he raises a point I had not considered.
    Reducing an adverse opinion into a personal attack is unnecessary, and uncalled for.

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    we understand, but glad to see you can take a joke.

    There's some cool threads posted on this site that have all kinds of routes
    for you and your buddies to try out, try browsing some peoples
    ride logs.

    edit: Do you have a copy of destination highways BC? http://www.destinationhighways.com/
    has everything with respect to routing, acomodations, restaurants, history, points of interest, scenic vantage points, etc.
    Great resource.

    "Why would I want to communicate with people like you? Life's too short." Is that why you pm'd me, ya big bully. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdub View Post
    Your sarcasm is fine...it's your ignorance & consequent negativity that's not excused.
    Well, well this has this has certainly taken an interesting turn. I gather you didn't you didn't like my reply and decided to make it personal. That was a wate of some good keyboarding. Your red herring failed to amuse or annoy me. So let's just gloss over that and the personaql attacks and get back to the meat of the matter.

    It seems to me that you are sort of stumped in helping out your friend (and his company) because perhaps you have a deadline and your pal is showing up expecting some results, routes , funky hotels, virgin roads etc etc

    We are probably talking about Edelweiss Tours as this trip seems to fit in with the tour design your are struggling with

    http://www.edelweissbike.com/tours/E...ca/Canada-West


    Quote Originally Posted by bdub View Post
    The tour company is not trying to get free help, I am. The tour company is paying one of their guides to fly here from overseas, to recon. & improve upon an existing tour in their portfolio, thereby providing their clients w/the best possible experience they can. The guide is a friend of mine. He emailed me for suggestions (as I live here & he doesn't) & I thought this forum would be a useful tool to help all parties involved.
    Of course they are trying to get free help, your pal works for them and he has asked you for help and since you are not offering any compensation to any of us that would mean free help to me. You can tell us all about your compensation or lack of it later in your reply.

    Quote Originally Posted by bdub View Post
    I do not represent said company & therefore I am not at liberty to divulge their current route/itinerary in a public forum such as this.
    Well since we are not dealing with a national security issue a simple google search has likely turned up the usual suspect.

    Here's a hint the company name was a big song in the Sound of Music

    Quote Originally Posted by bdub View Post
    Thankfully, someone (Michael) did, constructively, comment - before you managed to derail the thread with your omniscient, holier than thou attitude. Note how helpful all the postings were after yours.
    AWWWW! Me so mean!!! , taking away your chance to help a foreign tour group when we have BCSB members who run their own tour companies here in the province.


    Quote Originally Posted by bdub View Post
    They are doing exactly as you suggested they do. Ever heard of the term "networking"? Ever asked someone else for help? Or are you the type of person that would rather break through a brick wall with your thick skull, before asking your friend, who just so happens to own a sledgehammer, to lend you a hand?
    A Freudian slip " They are doing exactly as you suggested they do." Who is this they ...not the company.... I thought that you said, " The tour company is not trying to get free help, I am."

    FYI Networking is when both sides benefit. If the Tour Company is on one side who may I ask is on the other - certainly not the loyal subjects of BCSB ? I guess thaqt leaves either you or your pal and since he is on the payroll....

    Def'n

    net·work·ing [net-wur-king]
    a supportive system of sharing information and services among individuals and groups having a common interest: Working mothers in the community use networking to help themselves manage successfully.

    I don't see how this is networking involving the rest of us. You are simply trying to, "Help a friend" who works for a foreign competitor of Canadian Businesses owned by members of this Board. Of course if you are one of the sides in the network you will benefit (perhaps)

    Quote Originally Posted by bdub View Post
    You have over 1000 posts on here. What's your point? That I spend too much time riding & not enough time instigating confrontations from behind the anonymous safety of my keyboard?
    Hardly, my point is that if you actually rode your motorcycle around the province and spend gas and lodging money you could have told your friend where to go, this way we get to tell you where to go
    ( if we want )

    I do wonder what you are getting out of this ? A free tour or a scouting mission with a bike and expenses paid once you can "lay out a route"


    Quote Originally Posted by bdub View Post
    Why would I want to communicate with people like you? Life's too short. Fortunately there are many decent people on BCSB; Unfortunately, they're a lot quieter than the rude ones.
    What I think you meant was "Shit why did this Bill guy go and open up a can of worms before I could get free information for nothing."

    Actually it is "people like me" who you were hoping to obtain, learn, borrow route planning ideas from. I just decided not to participate in the sharing of information with the Tour Company

    What does it benefit me to have more traffic on roads that I like to ride in solitude on. These organized foreign tours leave less money in Canada than any other rider group. I would gladly help my friends who run tour companies but I wouldn't expect the rest of the riding world to chip in as a result of a post on a forum

    This Tour Company tell us more about them

    Do they buy their bikes here, hire Canadian guides, pay taxes, actually contribute to the province?

    If any of those answers are you why should I help them? Others may decide to give you the answers - I choose not to


    Quote Originally Posted by bdub View Post
    May I suggest that if you've got nothing positive to contribute, then just STFU & move on to the next thread? I'm not trying to get free help for a business. I'm attempting to help a friend, that's just doing his job. By the sounds of it, you're much more familiar with the school of hindrance though - so perhaps you wouldn't understand.
    This is a public form, deal with it. You got lots of replies on both sides of the coin. Please don't keep harping on I am just trying to help out a friend - he is an employee of a tour company ergo you are helping a company.

    Please don't insult the intelligence of the membership by trying to feed us the "only helping a friend " line.

    BTW If you think my reply was harsh - stay away from ADVRider .

    Quote Originally Posted by bdub View Post
    As I already stated - I don't represent them & therefore, I won't name them. It's not a new company, they're very well established. May I suggest that you at least use google and the search function before requesting that I spoon feed you? If you were to name three international motorcycle touring companies, it would probably be one of the three - if not the first.
    Well we are back to the topic of google are we? .... good

    Go google what you need, buy some books on BC riding, spend some money, give the invoice to your pal and be done with it.


    Quote Originally Posted by bdub View Post
    Once again, this thread was not started by any tour company - it was started by me, a simple, 14 post, BCSB registered user. 38 degrees is a lot, for a week of riding; maybe you should log off & drink some water...

    Oh but you miss the point of my post your thread was for a tour company, it was just started by you and you are pissed because you didn't get the answer(s) you wanted.

    I survived the heat - thanks for asking I hydrate when I ride.

    FWIW I was actually away riding for 3 weeks - it was nice, I found a whole bunch of new & nice places to ride, watch for my trip report
    BCSB had mountains of experience with a lot of things. #1 on that list is pouring out bullshit to dumb questions by the Gigabyte. (TripleTime, 12-10-2014 03:19 PM)

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    Why have an issue with this guy, yet let f-a keep putting up links to his lameland.org site?

    Seems pretty close to the same type of concern, someone trying to access BCSB members information for no compensation.

    I say give the guy a helping hand, he was certainly polite about asking. And keep letting f-a put up his links ........ the posts are always good for a laugh.
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    Oooh! Ooh!
    Can I have the 50% off tour with them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by michael View Post
    Oooh! Ooh!
    Can I have the 50% off tour with them?
    No Michael you knotty boy don't cheap out... why don't we find out when they leave and we'll just follow them its better than 50% off. Yea!
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