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zero emmision hydrogen powered Suzuki Crosscage
200 km range. which is about the same as all sportbikes. wonder when the gsxr 600 equivalent will be made. I guess this will be the future, so I better learn to like it.
Power equivalent of 125 cc. I'll pass.
Get outta the fast lane!!
The bike looks alright but.... hydrogen is yesterday's technology. It's NOT clean. It takes a wack of energy to make it. It's very volatile. Transportation infrastructure costs way too much. Even if all that is solved... it's gonna cost what .... $20/gal? Arnold and his "hydrogen hwy" is the biggest load of BS I ever heard. If you got money in Ballard, pull it out because it's not going anywhere.
The future is electric. Only problem is with a ban on building any new large scale hydro-electric generating plants in this province will result in a water shortage.... yes water, not electricity. In summer months reservoirs aren't large enough to keep up with peak demand. All the new houses and skyscrapers downtown gotta get power/water from somewhere.
Here's a cost comparison what it would cost me per month to drive to work:
Hummer H2 $450+
98' F150 4.6L V-8 4x4 s/cab $350
00' VW Golf TDI $150
07' eBox <$30 (yes, it's true!)
http://www.acpropulsion.com/ebox/ my bro-in-law has the first one in Canada. Thing goes like stink, less than 7 sec 0-100km/h, electronically limited to 152km/h top speed. Regenerative braking. 250km range lithium ion. But not cheap.
Here's a good explanation of overall vehicle fuel efficiency:
The measure is how many kilometers per MJ of energy. It's a NO-CONTEST.
If there is another energy crisis, well... you could add PV solar cells to your roof, a wind turbine, etc and be self-sufficient. You can't do that with any other liquid fuel system. Think of it this way.... liquid fuel is "crack" and we're all addicted. Then you understand the problem.
Still think it's not possible... well companies like http://www.milesev.com/index.asp should have production electric models out by 2009 that will be under $40k.
Sure, it's not an "out of town" long distance driving vehicle but accomplishes 98% of most people's needs. For that once a year trip to the Okanagan just rent a car. With the yearly fuel savings on electrics you won't mind renting a reg car for a long trip. Just imagine how much fuel is saved in rush hour traffic where the electric car just sits there not consuming anything.
Electric vs Ferrari vs Porsche
AC Propulsion TZero vs Ferrari
TZero vs Corvette LS1
www.teslamotors.com 0-60mph in 4 secs, 320km charge range!
Last edited by westvan_dude; 02-14-2008 at 10:23 PM.
There's logic in this, though the problem will be convincing people to adopt the thinking necessary to see it. For example, driving a small car like a Insight or a Smart would currently accomplish 98% of most people's needs, and for those times they need a truck to move or a Hummer to pull their boat or whatever, they rent, you'd save a lot of money, but for all that logic, you sure do see a lot of trucks and full size cars. You could push the collective thinking in the right direction by taxing the shit out of larger vehicles or taxing gas up to $3/litre, but good luck as a politician getting voted in with a proposal like that.
Originally Posted by westvan_dude
We're always going to have a demand for liquid fuel, just because people hate being tied to a radius from their home. Plus there is energy density to consider, a fuel cell + storage currently has about double the energy per cc as batteries, which is a big deal for things like cell phones and laptops (check out http://www.angstrompower.com/ - ilocal company, interesting stuff). The cool thing about the direction hydrogen technology is going is that the hydrogen could be generated locally. A home would have a electolysis cell that makes hydrogen from electricity and tap water. You can either get the electricity from the grid or use a renewable source, say a solar panel on the roof of your house. Then your car could be a plug in hybrid, so you can run off either source. Filling stations would generate hydrogen the same way, just on a larger scale. This bypasses most of the need to transport hydrogen fuel, because the water and electric infrastructures are already there. Of course there are wrinkles, like where are places like Vegas going to get more water (though they should have no trouble with the solar component).
Edit: energy density is of course a big deal for motorcycles as we want the freedom to make them very small and light. Imagine making a bike with the power of a 125cc and a 200 mile range, difficult with current battery technology unless we make it *very* heavy. Not to mention that most of the newer batteries are based on lithium metal, which is difficult to recycle, environmentally nasty to mine, and uses a *lot* of electricity to get it to the necessary purity. No silver bullet there I'm afraid.
Last edited by Bradthechoirboy; 02-15-2008 at 12:32 AM.
Reason: Adding mototrcycle content to make it relevant :-)