So, like 2 non motorcycle operator but could be a passenger fatalities per 100,000 bikes insured? So 0.002% of fatalities, causing death? And that 0.002%, probably a passenger. So basically, the government and media are completely skewed and possibly dishonest but certainly untrue in what they are informing the public about how any motorcyclist can harm anyone except themselves and passenger. People and gov't should mind their own f'ing business!
So, like 2 non motorcycle operator but could be a passenger fatalities per 100,000 bikes insured? So 0.002% of fatalities, causing death? And that 0.002%, probably a passenger. So basically, the government and media are completely skewed and possibly dishonest but certainly untrue in what they are informing the public about how any motorcyclist can harm anyone except themselves and passenger. People and gov't should mind their own f'ing business!
Motorcycle rider includes motorcycle drivers and motorcycle passengers.
Non motorcycle rider includes drivers and passengers of other involved vehicles, and pedestrians and cyclists
Motorcycles dramatically increased - deaths and accidents stayed fairly consistent. But the province has decided to focus on bikes and make our lives difficult, interesting that there is no statistical proof to justify their actions. In fact this data seems to argue to the contrary.
And this is why I ride almost exclusively south of the border for fun now.
I think another question should be type of bike?
Cruiser? or Sportbike?
Personal thought here is more sportbike riders, what is needed is more education for all riders, sure get the licence, but then get further instruction and practise at a government owned public road course. The costs of going to a track is way out of reach for some, it should be free! Paid by? All of us! They spend millions on roads and bridges, why not a road course? And here is one for you, Motorcycles only allowed! It gets that speed thing on public roads out of everyone's system, and it teaches control.
And what does a new Vancouver art gallery cost? What fricken planet are those wack jobs from? Free track days? Would give riders a sense of what is fast and what happens. Maybe instill some respect for speed in our society. Better than finger painting.
65000 insured bikes/mopeds in 2005 to 102000 (56% increase) insured in 2012 and the casualties remained nearly constant and fatalities decreased. Love or hate the laws they seem to be saving lives.
Information about rider training and safety gear has significantly increased over what it was 10 years ago. We live in the information age where people research things first online before they get into something.
I can also whip out stats that show increased speed limits reduced crashes in anywhere but BC.
I don't have R or SPSS on this computer to do MANOVA but comparing the linear regression of insured bikes (independent) to either at fault (25% or more to blame; i.e. multiply ratio by the number of accidents) or deaths reveals:
insured bikes to at fault accidents = correlative coefficient (r value) of 0.8
insured bikes to deaths = 0.6 something. (Note that a trend has a value of > 0.975)
What exactly does this mean? Well, ICBC's Motorcycle Month campaigns are not based on objective statistics that is for sure. Statistical significance aside, there is not even an observable trend derivable from their values. Clearly something else is at play (i.e. pay outs proportionally higher for motorcyclists, avoidability of accidents, ease with which the motorcycle community can be targeted etc.)
Anyhow, nice to see some "raw" numbers for a change (rounded values aside). I wonder how much it cost to actually mine all of this data?
That made my brain hurt. Did you just say the that although motorcycle registration has increased the number of fatality variance is meaningless? Or is it possible that a registered motorcyclist has, in fact, no significant increased likelyhood of fatality on a bike at all?
Stop saving lives, we don't need more lives. We need LESS population. Revoke helmet laws and raise the speed limit to 140kmh'......in school zones. Just in Richmond and Surrey.
So by their own statistics motorcycles are not at fault in about 2/3 of multi-vehicle crashes, about 2 people are killed by motorcyclists a year (whether the motorcyclist is at fault is not dissected) and yet the insurance rate for basic insurance, which is all third party liability, are sky high.
I know that ICBC pays out a small amount of money in "no fault" benefits primarily through reducing the cost of visits to physio etc but since it is clear that motorcycles aren't at fault most of the time, and if no one else gets hurt, why the hell does ICBC charge so much? Oh wait, nevermind, it's cause they can get away with it and we have no choice.
I've heard that the biggest component of third party claims for injuries actually comes from passengers who are riding pillion. In the UK it's actually a waiver on some policies and your rates drop significantly if you waive off pillion coverage. Doubt we would see that here, but it's something to think about when you see a girl on the back of an R1 wearing a helmet and t-shirt.
Adele, the BCCOM lobbied ICBC to base insurance rates based on actuarial data a few years back and it is obvious that it needs to be done again.
Just received word that the deaths from 2012 will not be available till the end of this year.
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