upgrade recommendations
Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 58

Thread: upgrade recommendations

  1. #1
    Registered User Array
    Join Date
    Jul 2017
    Location
    Coldstream, BC
    Bike
    Ninja 300/CBR f4i

    upgrade recommendations

    Well I mentioned in my other thread about wanting to upgrade. And well........I want to upgrade from my r3. Some background if anyone has missed it. I have ridden off and on throughout my life, dirt bikes for decades and a gs750 on the street. I've put a bit of seat time on a gsxr750 that wasn't mine but besides that my little r3 has been my main staple for the last year. Pushing 7k on it now in that year of mostly all twisty riding. I've commuted with it to work exactly once only.

    Its been a great bike, real confidence booster. When I ride it lately though I'm really finding it lacking in acceleration and braking.

    My whole love of riding is pretty much based around sport riding. I research and then I practice, research, practice, and on and on and on. My quest for ability and performance has lead me to lose 25lbs in this last year and I certainly wasn't obese before hand. Another ten and I'll weigh what I did at 18 at my current age of 43.

    Just adding all that stuff to paint as clear a picture as possible as to where I'm at.

    Im really sold on upgrading to a four cylinder 600 sport bike but also like to do some longer rides so the only bike I keep coming back to is a cbr f4i. A bit older then I was really wanting but I don't know of any newer bikes that are true sport bikes that offer a slightly relaxed stance while still being sport oriented and not having outrageous horsepower. Also not interested in something with substantially less horsepower than say the cbr mentioned.

    So what other bikes should i be considering? Suggestions? Ridicule? Bring it.

  2. Remove Advertisements
    BCSportBikes.com
    Advertisements
     

  3. #2
    Original Pirate Material Array TMR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Vancouver
    Bike
    Suzuki Burgman 250 Supersport
    Ninja 1000. End thread.

  4. #3
    Moderator Array CoolDaddyGroove's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    New West
    Bike
    2017 Kawasaki Ninja 1000
    You have plenty of options, but your F4i reference makes me think you have a limited budget. The R3 is a great bike, and I've railed on a handful of bikes in that 300-400 class. Bottom line, they handle awesome, and if all your "fun riding" is riding alone on a backcountry twisty road, I wouldn't change it.

    If you want to "tour", or ride in a pack of bigger bikes, that bike is going to suck.....big time! You can't perform quick passes, the wind will blow you around, and it's tiring to knock down a 600-800km day on it.

    Newer bikes with more relaxed upright ergos you might want to look at are a Ninja 1000, Z1000, Ninja 650, The Suzuki GSX-F models, Yamaha MT-01, .......I'm sure others will chime in with recommendations.

    600cc supersports will have more cramped ergos than your R3, so you can pretty much scratch those off your list, although changing the clipons is relatively easy and cheap, so keep that in mind when you sit on them. Just put your fists on top of the bars to get an idea of what 1" higher feels like.

    So what's the budget? And do you prefer to stick with a Japanese bike?
    DON'T STUFF THE CAGERS!

  5. Remove Advertisements
    BCSportBikes.com
    Advertisements
     

  6. #4
    Original Pirate Material Array TMR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Vancouver
    Bike
    Suzuki Burgman 250 Supersport
    Suck that, CDG.

  7. #5
    Registered User Array
    Join Date
    Jul 2017
    Location
    Coldstream, BC
    Bike
    Ninja 300/CBR f4i
    Hmmm. Thanks for the feedback. I hadn't really considered a litre bike, just figured it would be to big of a step up power wise to be the best choice. *My buddy had a r1 for a handful of years and he's cautioned me not to step up to a litre bike before riding a 600class bike some first. But kind of why I've started this thread to research and draw some input from more experienced riders.*

    *The r3 I'm having a blast on but I literally feel badly for it at the end of a ride I am flogging it so hard. Shift light, shift light, shift light. *Maybe I shouldn't? *But I've been an abuser of all things mechanical most of my life and my gut tells me I'm punishing it. Although I guess that's what it's designed for? *But ultimately every time I ride it now I'm left wanting more. The top end is slowwwwww and the brakes lack from high speeds, even I'm finding them lacking at lower speeds too.*

    Budget depends. Not really to limited but less is better. Probably 10k on the high end to avoid marital problems. But if I can get something that fills my needs for half that even better. *I would like to stay with a Japanese bike. I really kind of want a 4 cylinder. I love the sound of them, I've had a old one before, the gs and ridden my buds gixxer750 a bit but didn't like the bike to much. It had mismatched rear sets and dropped race clip ons though. Bit of a hacked up machine.*

    The f4i seemed(seems) like a logical choice? *But I question if it's to old, or there's better newer tech out there. I like the styling of the older split seat ones more and like the overall styling of the bike which I'll admit is important to me. I want my bike to be pleasing to my eye when it's sitting in my shop. *I'd like something reliable without to oppressive of a maintenance schedule. I guess I like the performance specs on the 600 supersport class of bikes and the f4i seems like the only one with somewhat favourable ergos. I do think I'd prefer something revvier than torquey. Like I'm not really interested in twins.*

    I'm 5'9 if that helps and about 185pds. **
    Last edited by Squisher; 09-18-2018 at 11:46 AM.

  8. #6
    Original Pirate Material Array TMR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Vancouver
    Bike
    Suzuki Burgman 250 Supersport
    IMHO, torque wins for the street. Consider not just peak HP, but how the bike puts down that power. The R3 is a great bike and as the saying goes, oftentimes it's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow. Personally, I don't enjoy riding 600 supersports on the street; terrible ergos, small tank, needs revs to move, and is a pretty piss-poor tool for the job when our roads aren't exactly perfect.

    And so, if you want to stay with sub-litre bikes, consider bikes like the fz-07, sv650, etc... Not rip your hair out fast, but more than enough for the street with handling that will surprise you. We got my wife a newer SV650 last year and we both love it; it handles really well, has a peach of an engine, gets insane gas mileage, and is cheap to own, has plentiful aftermarket parts, and is easy to work on. F4i's are getting pretty long in the tooth now anyways and I suspect it would be challenging to find one that is not a shitter bike.

    On this topic, this video is salient: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYahwC4fcNk

  9. #7
    Registered User Array cvrle1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Vancouver
    Bike
    04 SV650
    Triumph Street Triple R, either 675cc model, or new 765cc model. That triple engine is something special. Plenty of torque all over the rpm range, very linear power ramp up through, sounds great at lower rpm (has that vtwin deep growl), at higher rpm it feels more like I4 engine, and has higher pitch sound. 2016 and earlier models have fully adjustable front and rear suspension, some come with abs, Nissin calipers, etc. 765cc model is new for 2018 and it comes in more models, with RS being top of the line. RS has all the goodies from Brembo, Ohlins, different riding modes and so on.

    I have 09 R and love it!

  10. #8
    Registered User Array
    Join Date
    Jul 2017
    Location
    Coldstream, BC
    Bike
    Ninja 300/CBR f4i
    Thanks again everyone for all the input. I appreciate it. Lots to think on and research. I'm not going to rush into any rash decisions.*

    One reason I'd been thinking f4i was there is a real clean 05 locally with 8000km. I had my eye on one with 20,000km but it sold. There's also another minty looking one with 36,000. But now I feel less sure than before that that is the bike for me. I had been looking at the fz7 or 9 but am uncertain on a naked bike or not. *i will research the street triples some.

    All input welcomed. I appreciate being able to hash out these thoughts here.*
    Last edited by Squisher; 09-18-2018 at 02:03 PM.

  11. #9
    Moderator Array CoolDaddyGroove's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    New West
    Bike
    2017 Kawasaki Ninja 1000
    Just because a bike is 1000cc's doesn't mean it falls in to the "Liter Bike" category, which is a legacy term when the only bikes out there were supersports (GSXR1000, R1, CBR1000RR etc). That's most likely what your buddy meant by avoid them. I would avoid them too based on what you have shared, mostly because they are uncomfortable for touring and make most of their power high up in the rev range. In other words, weak mid-range.

    Modern bikes.........very different, especially now that we have a plethora of options for more upright sporty-bikes
    DON'T STUFF THE CAGERS!

  12. #10
    Registered User Array
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    Okanagan
    Bike
    nekkid
    I think "cheap" is the operative word here.

    It will be hard to find a litre bike in your price range and any 750 gsxrs that come up for sale are pricey or sell quick. You might find deals in Alberta or lower mainland. I'm talking bikes in good shape.

    There are and have been a few decent 600s for sale in the area that might be closer to your budget. You can always try lowball offers this time of year.

    VMS has a lovely gsxr 1000r marked down. You won't grow out of that baby anytime soon.

    If you're wringing a R3 out pretty good you might find the fz07 boring soon.

  13. #11
    Registered User Array bandito's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Langley
    Bike
    CBR600RR
    One good option for good riding position, sport performance, in your budget and good for some touring is the every trusty vfr800. Get one with the electrical stuff sorted and they are really sold bikes that will run well into the mid 100k km's without much work at all.
    BCSB Crash Reconstruction Team Member

  14. #12
    track hack Array Young Lion's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    Island
    Bike
    Ruby Jizza
    Based on what you're saying, I'd concentrate my search on these two models:

    - '13-'16 Triumph Street Triple - base or R spec - similar ergo's to the F4i, amazing inline 3-cyl engine, 90hp and a sweet midrange punch, and they look and sound awesome IMO.

    - '16+ CBR650 - almost identical ergo's as your R3 just a tad larger everywhere and MUCH more jam. Looks decent, capable enough, cheapish even brand new.

    Good luck with the search and keep us posted!
    "I'm so mean I make medicine sick!"

    C.C.




  15. #13
    Eh Muh Gawd Becky!! Array Purplekawi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    my front room
    Bike
    somethin somethin somethin
    Ninja 650. The latest version is quite a fun bike. Not Supersport power but a fair bit more than the current crop of 3-400's. Quite capable of passing cars easily and at just over 400lbs, stable on the road in the wind.
    That that doesn't kill us forces us to live with a busted up bike!!

  16. #14
    Moderator Array CoolDaddyGroove's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    New West
    Bike
    2017 Kawasaki Ninja 1000
    And a damn nice looking bike too

    DON'T STUFF THE CAGERS!

  17. #15
    track hack Array Young Lion's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    Island
    Bike
    Ruby Jizza
    Quote Originally Posted by Purplekawi View Post
    Ninja 650. The latest version is quite a fun bike. Not Supersport power but a fair bit more than the current crop of 3-400's. Quite capable of passing cars easily and at just over 400lbs, stable on the road in the wind.
    Agreed on the recommendation however the OP did say he wanted a bike with F4i power or more, and wasn't a fan of Twins so I passed on adding it to my list. These make roughly 68hp and about the same torque figures - a good step up IMO from an R3 but in his position, I'd guess maybe not quite enough of a bump.
    "I'm so mean I make medicine sick!"

    C.C.




Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •