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    Speed limits down by 10 km/hr

    It was a surprise to us as well. I was made aware of the new limits at a near fatal collision last night about this. If you think about it, people going thru heavy traffic from Whatcom Rd east on Hwy 1 would be going at least 151 km/hr before looking at an impound. Out on Hwy 5? Over 160 km/hr. Think about the soccer mom in the Grand Caravan, the salesman in the Camry, the guy in the lifted Dodge pickup, the family rushing to the Okanagan for vacation. Hurtling towards you as they are distracted by kids, order forms, hockey games or whatever ...... and there was no shortage of them driving like that. Because what is the worse that would happen? A $196 ticket? Well don't fret too much. It looks like you can still fly down the Coq at 160 km/hr and face little consequences.

    Who do you know that is capable of cruising thru Hwy 5 at 100 MPH/160 km/hr?


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    Bogus. Drive to the conditions or the vehicles ability. But we all need to pay because someone is a crap inattentive driver or driving some incapable vehicle? *I'm fed up with the campaign against speed. That's my own personal opinion on it. Pissed right off about the state of our speed limits and enforcement for breaking the 40kmph over limit. Even below that it's not just a 196$ ticket it's points and driver premiums and crap like that too.*

    You asked right? *I am not happy with the speed limits anywhere I go as it is, so I am certainly not for any sort of decrease. *

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    Speed limits are a joke for most folk. Every time an asshat blows by me at high speed in heavy traffic I pray I see his car/truck getting loaded on a tow truck down the way. It never freaking happens!!

    The lower mainland is the worst.. It's the wild west. Everytime I go down there some idiot or idiots are filtering at high speed, cutting people off, and generally causing mayhem. Lifted trucks, beemers, and high end Japanese cars usually. Don't drive the speed limit if you don't wanna get run down from behind. I got to go back down there soon ...groan. There must be hundreds more accidents there than the rest of BC combined.

    I don't see a problem with speed on the Coq so much in good weather. Traffic is lighter and there's no corners. It's the numb nuts who won't slow down in bad conditions.

    Where I see the very worst of drivers is in towns and cities. There you have the lifted trucks again, soccer moms, women in pricey suvs, and distracted drivers galore. I had a young lady follow me a couple weeks ago. She couldn't keep her eyes off her phone. I yelled at her at a stop sign to put the phone down and, naturally, I get mouthed obcenities back.

    In my opinion its the lack of enforcement where and when we really need enforcement. I take a Sunday morning ride out into the boonies and who do I see? A cop. Why the hell isn't he in town writing tickets where its needed most?

    Speed reported as the number one cause of accidents? 1 kph over is speeding by definition. Who knows how they acquire their statistics. There's a lot of drivers out there who have 0 respect and 0 give-a-shit and they get away with murder.

    It's not the speeding its bad driving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldgixxer View Post
    Speed limits are a joke for most folk. Every time an asshat blows by me at high speed in heavy traffic I pray I see his car/truck getting loaded on a tow truck down the way. It never freaking happens!!

    The lower mainland is the worst.. It's the wild west. Everytime I go down there some idiot or idiots are filtering at high speed, cutting people off, and generally causing mayhem. Lifted trucks, beemers, and high end Japanese cars usually. Don't drive the speed limit if you don't wanna get run down from behind. I got to go back down there soon ...groan. There must be hundreds more accidents there than the rest of BC combined.

    I don't see a problem with speed on the Coq so much in good weather. Traffic is lighter and there's no corners. It's the numb nuts who won't slow down in bad conditions.

    Where I see the very worst of drivers is in towns and cities. There you have the lifted trucks again, soccer moms, women in pricey suvs, and distracted drivers galore. I had a young lady follow me a couple weeks ago. She couldn't keep her eyes off her phone. I yelled at her at a stop sign to put the phone down and, naturally, I get mouthed obcenities back.

    In my opinion its the lack of enforcement where and when we really need enforcement. I take a Sunday morning ride out into the boonies and who do I see? A cop. Why the hell isn't he in town writing tickets where its needed most?

    Speed reported as the number one cause of accidents? 1 kph over is speeding by definition. Who knows how they acquire their statistics. There's a lot of drivers out there who have 0 respect and 0 give-a-shit and they get away with murder.

    It's not the speeding its bad driving.
    That statistic is gathered by ICBC from reports prepared by police investigating collisions and is bent, stretched and manipulated far beyond what it really mean when used by the police investigating the collision in the first place. It is a disgrace how the government agencies and ICBC misuse stats to feed their opinions.

    You are very correct with your point about 1 km over the posted limit being speeding. Truthfully, it is not "Speeding" as the large contributing factor. It is "Speed" That is usually combined with other factors, most often road, weather and visibility conditions. Of course impairment and distracted driving are also combined with this. "Speed" can be a contributing factor even though the vehicle is doing under the speed limit.

    So to jump on the band wagon and start hammering people for exceeding the speed limit because ICBC or a government ministry says too many collisions are being cause by speed in simply wrong. Traffic enforcement needs to be focused on what history has shown to be the real cause of collisions in a particular area and focus enforcement tactics on those factors. Most often, by my experience, it has been erratic driving, drive without due care and attention, or reasonable care and consideration, distracted driving, follow too close, and the absolute largest factor in a metro environment, running yellow lights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 34468 View Post
    That statistic is gathered by ICBC from reports prepared by police investigating collisions and is bent, stretched and manipulated far beyond what it really mean when used by the police investigating the collision in the first place. It is a disgrace how the government agencies and ICBC misuse stats to feed their opinions.

    You are very correct with your point about 1 km over the posted limit being speeding. Truthfully, it is not "Speeding" as the large contributing factor. It is "Speed" That is usually combined with other factors, most often road, weather and visibility conditions. Of course impairment and distracted driving are also combined with this. "Speed" can be a contributing factor even though the vehicle is doing under the speed limit.

    So to jump on the band wagon and start hammering people for exceeding the speed limit because ICBC or a government ministry says too many collisions are being cause by speed in simply wrong. Traffic enforcement needs to be focused on what history has shown to be the real cause of collisions in a particular area and focus enforcement tactics on those factors. Most often, by my experience, it has been erratic driving, drive without due care and attention, or reasonable care and consideration, distracted driving, follow too close, and the absolute largest factor in a metro environment, running yellow lights.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve G. View Post
    I rode the bike to Cycle Gear in Bellingham yesterday. The assistant manager there, who knows I live in Metro Van, mentioned he had driven to Whistler with his wife a month ago, and had almost been taken out 3 times between North Van and Squamish. I apologized, and told him, IMO, that car/truck drivers in Vancouver area are the worst, by far, in the western world. He agreed. I told him other than commuting, I do most of my motorcycle pleasure riding in Washington state. He understood why.

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    I guess until drivers magically feel like driving better, enforcement will be the answer.*This is why we can't have nice things.

    The part of me that took a bit of statistics wonders on results like this. Were they weighted for seasonal weather and the overall number of cars? Is the speed increase the causation or just correlation? How are crash stats on other roads that didn't have increased speed limits? I have a hard time believing that 10kph alone was enough to double crash rates.*

    Regardless, it makes a good headline, which is really all that matters anymore. *

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    The simple solution is to change the driver's license test to be far more comprehensive. Change it to be a real world skills test that includes decision making instead of the joke that it currently is. Make EVERYONE who has a license come in to do the test. Have mandatory retesting including eye exams, reaction time and decision making tests that start at say 45 yrs old and happen every 1-3 years after depending on one's age. If it's difficult to get and maintain a license then people may start to respect the privilege of operating a motor vehicle instead of treating it like an entitlement. It will also quickly weed out the people who are not competent enough to be operating a motor vehicle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by syncro View Post
    The simple solution is to change the driver's license test to be far more comprehensive. Change it to be a real world skills test that includes decision making. Make EVERYONE who has a license come in to do the test. Have mandatory retesting including eye exams, reaction time and decision making tests that start at say 45 yrs old and happen every 1-3 years after depending on one's age. If it's difficult to get and maintain a license then people may start to respect the privilege of operating a motor vehicle instead of treating it like an entitlement. It will also quickly weed out the people who are not competent enough to be operating a motor vehicle.
    This is something I could get behind. I would dread the tests because who in their right mind likes them. But it is something that could help.

    However this would require a complete shift in modern BC society as to how we think. I cannot see it ever. As much as it could help, I could not see the politicians standing up to their various constituencies and those blocks of voters that would scream blue murder about this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikorsky View Post
    However this would require a complete shift in modern BC society as to how we think. I cannot see it ever. As much as it could help, I could not see the politicians standing up to their various constituencies and those blocks of voters that would scream blue murder about this.
    This is the problem with our political system and why significant beneficial change rarely happens. The people are too stupid to see what will benefit them in the long run and are only interested in avoiding pain in the short run. As a result politicians primarily focus their energy on doing what they need to do to get re-elected or doing everything they can get away with just up to the point of seriously pissing off their supporters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by syncro View Post
    This is the problem with our political system and why significant beneficial change rarely happens. The people are too stupid to see what will benefit them in the long run and are only interested in avoiding pain in the short run. As a result politicians primarily focus their energy on doing what they need to do to get re-elected or doing everything they can get away with just up to the point of seriously pissing off their supporters.
    Well said and bang on.

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    A very good starting point. Well said.

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