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    You have all raised good points about this issue. However the bottom line guys is that, like it or not, there's going to be some kind of toll on the Sea-to-Sky Highway. The question is how much and if there will be "discounts" for off-peak use, frequent users, etc. This is the way of the future, whether you like it or not.

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    damn, i guess no more morning rips to squamish for me if this goes through

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    Re: Re: So?

    Originally posted by Dirtybill


    That's the problem with Canadians. We're too apathetic. We let the politicians do whatever they want.
    Oh please! Our politicians are a bunch of dweebs. I wouldn't mind it if they DID commit on their actions, at least they would be doing something!

    And having the Olympics in this city would be the best thing to happen to BC if you are remotely concerned with bringing an additional 200,000 jobs to the province over the next 10 years. We need this kind of business, especially with the crunch on our resources trading right now. I'm no corporate blood sucker, I'm realistic. I love BC, but I don't like the fact that the general public are against anything even close to change. These are the people that get rid of the Indy's, the Thunderboats, the Fireworks etc... oh and how about Westwood Raceway!

    But back to the toll, I'd pay a toll. But not $32.00. That is crazy. Ideally there would be a toll road seperate from Sea to Sky. Just like the Coquihalla.

    I didn't think this was a political board, but I'm as guilty as everyone of seeing a juicy topic!

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    Regardless of whether there is a toll or not, one issue that no one appears to have mentioned is what the highway improvements will do to one of our favourite twisty roads. I suspect that once the highway is upgraded it will be "safer". However, I expect that it will also be boring to ride (e.g., four lanes, gentle curves, etc.). Ick. So, I suspect that we won't want to ride it anymore because it won't be as much fun as it is right now. Better get your kicks on this road while you can boys and girls and enjoy it while it lasts.

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    What about people who live along that route and commute into Van for work?? That would cost them $32 x 5 days x 48 weeks (with holdays excluded) x 2 (there and back)= $15360 !!! What the f&ck is that? try asking for that as a raise
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    It's actually $32 for a roundtrip...but anywayz...after studying some economics at college (& possibly majoring in it)...I think that privatizing highways that provide a quicker route to public highways is perfectly fine....just think for a second...you have the choice of taking the private highway which will save you time, but cost you a little bit of money....think about the Coquihalla, is your opportunity cost (time & gas) worth more the extra fee of $10...if there were quicker highways/bridges here in the lower mainland, I would definitely pay a toll during rush hour periods...

    As for the Sea-to-Sky...a fee of $32 is too much...but something more reasonable would be alright because then we could improve our roads...

    what would you rather want: pay a fee for using a road which you CHOSE to ride OR raise income taxes, which is less controllable (because everyone wants to make tonnes of cash), so that the gov't can get sufficient funds?

    Imagine if this country was totally socialist...or even communist!
    Karls Marx once said that countries would change from communism to socialism to democratic...then all the way back to communism. If you ask me, we're a socio-democratic country at the moment...

    This is just my view...
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    Hey Q its summer time, are you still in school???

    Nehow $32 for a round trip???
    Hmmm you mean after I pay $70 to ride the mountains (that close at 3pm), $20 for lunch and $20 on gas???
    If that happens looks like its time to invest in shares with Cypress.

    Definately improvements are needed on the "Sea to Die" highway,
    but we're all pretty spoiled from not paying tolls.

    In Japan they have tolls from most major cities to the next.
    But there are two routes- the fast and the slow way.

    The slow way is free and a semi death wish (usually involving a windy road beside a mountain) and not in any way safe for a car.

    So u see everyone takes the fast way because it would just be stupid to use the other way thus everyone paying the toll.

    The bottom line is we're really spoiled- but then again thats what makes living here so desirable.

    Tolls may be necessary but regardless of what they decide the
    cost will be- it will always be too much.

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    To add to what QDball was saying. I 100% agree. Privateizing roads and creating 'toll lanes' is all good with me. I saw it all over the states, and it looks to be very successful. If you want to sit in the slow lane, go ahead - but you have an option.

    But to make it the ONLY road up there completley toll... well that's just ludicrous.
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    Re: Re: Re: So?

    Originally posted by BladeRunner


    Oh please! Our politicians are a bunch of dweebs. I wouldn't mind it if they DID commit on their actions, at least they would be doing something!

    And having the Olympics in this city would be the best thing to happen to BC if you are remotely concerned with bringing an additional 200,000 jobs to the province over the next 10 years. We need this kind of business, especially with the crunch on our resources trading right now. I'm no corporate blood sucker, I'm realistic. I love BC, but I don't like the fact that the general public are against anything even close to change. These are the people that get rid of the Indy's, the Thunderboats, the Fireworks etc... oh and how about Westwood Raceway!

    But back to the toll, I'd pay a toll. But not $32.00. That is crazy. Ideally there would be a toll road seperate from Sea to Sky. Just like the Coquihalla.

    I didn't think this was a political board, but I'm as guilty as everyone of seeing a juicy topic!

    My 2 bits again.
    Where did you obtain the 200,000 jobs figure? Are they full time permanent jobs or $6/hour temporary, on call slinging burgers jobs?

    Expo 86 was supposed to do the same thing for this province. All it did was turn Vancouver into a crowded American type city with more gang crime than it ever has had. Where's the jobs?

    Re: Westwood. Part of the blame lies right in the Westwood Motorcyle Club's lap. The Gov't gave them an option on that land to buy it but they refused. The Car club and the Bike club couldn't put aside their differences long enough to get their act together.

    As for the Glen Clark trial, he's not gulity until proven so. Food for thought....Ever wonder how the BCTV's cameras got to Clark's house ahead of the RCMP? Remember Peter Monatgue, the spokesman for the Mounties? He just happened to have ameeting with Gordon Campbell about running for the Liberal party before the Clark thing went down. Peter Montague is also an old friend of a BCTV reporter. This whole Clark set up smells.

    You might want to ask Gordon Campbell why, when he does nothing but preach about cutting costs and getting rid of the waste, why whole Ministries are getting new lap tops when there's nothing wrong with the old ones?

    btw Glen Clark rides a bike.

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    Originally posted by Eddie


    Hey DB, an on/off road bike is sounding better and better. I used to have a KLR250. It was bit gutless, but I had a blast up in the hills in the small east coast town I lived in.

    So, you do a lot of off-roading out here?
    I've owned a KLR250. Dependable bike that was good for trail riding. The really off road stuff I do involves loading up the DR350 and either going to Princeton or the Okanagan for a weekend. There's some good logging roads that the 650 will take easily just south of here. Apparently there's also a bunch near Squamish and you can take a dirt road from Harrison hot springs all the way to whistler then Lilloet or Lytton.

    There's a good 2 day dual sport run coming up in July, hosted by the GVMC. I did a week in Vegas on the DR in March and that was a hoot. Definitely a must do next year. Also did a great one a couple of years ago. It was by invitation only and we went for 3 days over mountains (snowing on July 1) and ended up in Bralorne where there was a cabin waiting for us to sleep in. Well, the cabin was a log house with dinner being cooked when we showed up and all the beer you could drink for $25 each. Plus a huge fireplace, sauna and the house overlooked the lake.

    There were some Californians with us who said "this isn't a ride, it's an adventure"!!! They nearly wet themselves when we rounded a corner and there was a Grizzly bear looking at us.

    Riding in the dirt is the most fun you can have on a bike and it teaches you throttle control, weight movement and balance. I think it's way more useful than track days. Plus you learn how to fall..........in my case, a LOT!!

    There's this one short road in Peachland. I don't know why, but instead of the usuall big rocks on it, it's composed of tiny pea gravel with sand. It's in amongst some pine trees and you get a nice view of the lake from up there. Anyway, I use to go up there on the KLR250 or DT200 and flat track it as it was the perfect surface to get the back end hanging out and then try to back it in on some of the corners. I probably only had the back end out about 6" but it felt like 2 feet!!

    Eventually we'll move back to the Okanagan!!
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    Yeah I saw the province as well, and read that.

    I think $32 is SLIGHTLY insane. Hopefully it was mistaken, and maybe $3.20. Well that may be a little bit better.

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: So?

    Originally posted by Dirtybill


    Where did you obtain the 200,000 jobs figure? Are they full time permanent jobs or $6/hour temporary, on call slinging burgers jobs?

    Expo 86 was supposed to do the same thing for this province. All it did was turn Vancouver into a crowded American type city with more gang crime than it ever has had. Where's the jobs?

    Re: Westwood. Part of the blame lies right in the Westwood Motorcyle Club's lap. The Gov't gave them an option on that land to buy it but they refused. The Car club and the Bike club couldn't put aside their differences long enough to get their act together.

    As for the Glen Clark trial, he's not gulity until proven so. Food for thought....Ever wonder how the BCTV's cameras got to Clark's house ahead of the RCMP? Remember Peter Monatgue, the spokesman for the Mounties? He just happened to have ameeting with Gordon Campbell about running for the Liberal party before the Clark thing went down. Peter Montague is also an old friend of a BCTV reporter. This whole Clark set up smells.

    You might want to ask Gordon Campbell why, when he does nothing but preach about cutting costs and getting rid of the waste, why whole Ministries are getting new lap tops when there's nothing wrong with the old ones?

    btw Glen Clark rides a bike.
    I was all for the Olympics, mainly because I really wanted to see some Olympic Hockey up close but after some thought and some reading I'm against it. I agree with Dirtybill about the Olympics that the jobs are tempory and the long term effects will be negative (bring in less money then they'll cost).

    Far as Glen Clark goes he is innocent until proven guilty. The media was definatley tipped off but that doesn't change the fact that he had free work done and a mobster got a casino licence, Glen is as crooked as they come.

    The liberals sure aren't the save all be all, they've done a lot of shitty things but as long as they continue to bust the Unions in the public sector I'm all for em. There are no alternatives out there right now, I'd love to see another party come in but I sure as hell wouldn't vote NDP.

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    In some ways I disagree with the fact the Olympics will bring long-term negative effects to the economy...think about it...with the Olympics coming to Whistler, only some of the events will take place there and a lot of other events (hockey, speed skating, etc) will go on around the Lower Mainland. With so many tourists flocking to Vancouver for the events, it'll bring in tonnes of sales revenues for all the municipalities & not just Whistler...plus, the GVRD traffic people will finally consider improving the flow of public transit. Sure as hell I wish that Richmond had a skytrain extension because then I'd stop driving to downtown...sure maybe Skytrain will bring some addicts but they probably like their community along E Hastings.

    Also, if the Olympics come here, I'll be finished university and it'll just be in time to open up a new business...
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