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MCC seems to have a good head on their shoulders. No bullshit, just an honest answer.

Funny that is the same position BCCOM has yet you all choose to ignore that. I have sat as a founding director for 4 years on that board and actually helped draw up that statement.

Adele

 

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Nope, BCCOM supports the notion that full-face helmets cause neck injuries. THAT's why we think your organization is full of fucking idiots.

BCCOM supports fact, do you know MCC's stand? I do. Do you really have to be so obnoxious? I guess for people that don't know the facts that is the only way they can attempt to get their point across in such a childish manner.

 

[BCCOM]

I disagree Bruce, Adele sets herself up for these types of comments. Usually I'd just look the other way. But BCCOM has a dangerous stance on helmet safety, and with the amount of people looking to the internet for advice, this is a good place for us to voice our concerns and opinions.

I admit my conduct towards Adele is nothing but insulting and harsh, but I believe she deserves it. As a spokesperson of an organization I'd think she would be able to articulate her point a little better, and with the kind of respect she's shown me on here, I don't feel bad for my comments.

That said, out of respect to you I will no longer call her "stupid" or "a labotomized street rat", however, as long as they have that stance on Full Face helmets, myself and everyone I know, will think of BCCOM in that way.

FYI, For BCsportbikes to condone those dangerous views on helmets is much more damaging than anything I could possibly say here.

I had respect for BCCOM a while back, but for them to state that it's a fact Full Face helmets cause neck injuries in such a misleading way as to defend their right to wear beanies... well... I leave you to your own conclusion.

Thanks

Try as I might searching back through your posts directed at me I have looked for a reason to respect you but I couldn't find a single one. You don't read or at the very least you don't retain. Below are some of what I quess is your "articulate" way of putting your point across even when other members of BCSB tried to point out that you just weren't getting it. A quote from you in the bottom post pretty much says it all. Oh, I highlighted it so you wouldn't miss it.

Adele


08-22-2006, 12:22 PM #62
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That's not the point. The point is that BCCOM said publically, on TV, that novelty beanies might be safer that full face helmets in some cases...


The point is, you didn’t read – or understand the very first post! Adele said she was misquoted, she actually said “…I was then asked why some people choose to wear that kind of helmet and I explained that it is some people's opinion (obviously the one's who choose a beanie) that depending on the kind of accident the weight of the helmet can be a factor in neck injuries.” .Note:”Some peoples opinion” not BCCOM’s!
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I'd still have negative comments about that safety remark.

But just so we can sort it out.

Adele,

1.) Does BCCOM believe that Full-Face helmets cause neck injuries?

2.) Does BCCOM recommend wearing a full-face helmet while supporting the riders right to choose?

If you clear up this issue, we may be on a path to enlightenment.


1)It has been proven that in some accidents the weight of the helmet has been a factor in neck injuies. If you want the details please call Jim McNeney and make an appointment. It has also been proven that beanies have caused head injuries.
2) BCCOM does not make any recomendations on what people wear as helmets.

I still do not know what safety comment you are refering to.

Adele
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I do, however, care when a representitive from an organization called "BC Coalition of Motorcycles" defends the idea that a full face helmet could be more dangerous in certain circumstances.


Adele didn't, she referred to arguments OTHERS made to justify their use..
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Sorry I don't honestly know that. The woman asked me why and I
told her what riders have told me. I gave you a tiny portion of a conversation I had with a reporter to clarify where she had taken things out of context. Please do not put words in my mouth. As for supporting Full Face Helmets BCCOM supports whatever a motorcyclist chooses to wear.



Honey, If I was putting words in your mouth, you wouldn't be having this problem... because you'd actually sound intelligent for a change.

Okay, so maybe I'm wrong, maybe your members actually DO believe that a beanie is safer than a full-face helmet. Well, then your members are a bunch of fucking idiots.

All this being said, I don't care about a full-face helmet law, let riders wear what they want... but don't come on here stating any of this bullshit about it being for safety.

EDIT: I support a lot of things BCCOM does, but that helmet thing kinda takes away your credibility.
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When something like this happens it all becomes news and it pits cruisers and sport bikes into some very heated discussions. BCCOM has been caught in the middle of the struggle yet once again. So how do you keep both sides happy? You can't!!! No matter what, there will always be a clash between the groups.
BCCOM has done alot of good for the community as a whole. But we all know that we can't make everyone happy. I am not a member of BCCOM and have pondered over that issue for some time. I was at the Gastown Show 'n Shine and the lack of sports bikes was dissappointing. There should have been more planning ahead of time so that large events do not coincide together. This show would have been great if there were a better balance of sport bike and cruisers there. A great time to show that BCCOM supports all motorcylists.



I'm going to quit being a dick for a second and actually offer a suggestion.
Sportriders want you to go for legislation on making 3/4 or full face the law right?

Cruiser camp wants their freedom right?

I say, BCCOM supports the riders right to choose, HOWEVER, have safety demonstrations showing the benfits of a full face and PROVE to them that a full face is not more dangerous (can't be that hard to prove, since the arguing theory is absolute bullshit).

Support that the rider is responsible for their own safety, but also that they are putting themselves at risk by not wearing a proper helmet.

And please, for the love of God, do not repeat that riders believe full face helmets are unsafe... Shut that argument down right now.

That should be a BCCOM bulletin.
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What work? I've listened to what Adele has to to say and I've gone to their web page to see what they have to say. A few of my comments are:

1) States with HOV lanes in the USA also allow motorcycles - so was this a BCCOM initiative or simply the government following the recommendations of their own bureaucrats?

2) BC Ferries has had priority loading for motorcycles ever since I went to U-vic. Well before the formation of BCCOM. It is a business decision for BC Ferries to load motorcycles first - they can squeeze on more cars and increase their revenue. A no brainer as far as I'm concerned.

3) BCCOM does not seem to support helmet standards.

4) Here in Kelowna we have "designated motorcycle parking" which BCCOM claims to have achieved. First off, it is by the Willow - a local strip club - OK if you visit the club, but not particularly convienent, or safe, otherwise. It accomodates eight to ten bikes if everyone parks nicely. And my local city councilor has no idea that it was BCCOM initiated.

So I really have to wonder about the organization.

1) B.C. is the only province in Canada that allows a single motorcyclist into HOV lanes, in June in Ontario, they finally allowed motorcycles into the HOV lanes but there must be two people on the bike . BCCOM lobbied government for three years to get this to happen. The key was a study done in Virginia that showed there were less accidents on their freeways when motorcyclists were allowed into the lanes.
2)The name BCCOM has been around for 21 years. In the beginning it all started as the Association for Injured Motorcyclists then because it was going political and did not fit into AIM's mandate it became the Motorcyclists Protection Agency then after a few years became BCCOM. The B.C. ferrries started priority loading due to pressure put on by the membership over an accident where a car took out a motorcyclist in his blind spot.
3) BCCOM supports the laws of this province and the "Freedom of Choice"
4) The parking in Kelowna was backed by BCCOM through a Kelowna City Engineer who could not get it done with out our support (letters of endorsement though our membership etc.)

No need to wonder.

 

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HOV lanes are all over America so it really didn't matter if Canada had not yet done so. Considering we are such a small bike market with such a short season, it's really no wonder.
AIM is a great idea but do they have any numbers of how many of their clients might have avoided face & head injuries if they had been wearing a proper helmet?
As for safety on HOV lanes and ferries loading: Kind of a mixed message when you lobby to make it acceptable to wear a soup bowl.

Once again Bill I will reiterate that BCCOM has never lobbied for the "BC Beanie" it was something Jim McNeney did on his own dime and on his own time.

 

[BCCOM]

Thank-you for a professional and well-written reply. Much better than others I've seen.

Is BCCOM a registered society? Or is the organization simply unregistered?

I have to say I did consider paying the "dues" and joining BCCOM, but I can find no public accountability for the organization. Plus this "freedom of choice" thing on helmets kind of urks me...

In reply to Spike - I actually do believe it is a better business decision to allow priority loading of bikes. All cars have to be treated equally - so a minivan (as in your example) has the same priority as a car. Simply put, you can get more bikes on the ferry than cars and the average number of people in cars. It makes very good business sense to do what BC Ferries is currently doing. If BCCOM or some other person or organization had to point it out to them - well - that's what happens when you go from a governmental organization to a private organization... It takes a while to learn things.

Thank you, I admit that at times this gets to me (it is not every day I am depicted as a lobotomized street rat ) , as proffessional as I try to be I am unfortunately only human. BCCOM is unregistered, it is based on a "corporate" model, see "Question for BCCOM" sitting on page 10 on this forum. I realize that BCCOM can not and probably will not ever make everyone happy, but we honestly do try our best to meet the needs of motorcyclists in B.C. along with our membership.

 

[BCCOM]

The following information was sent to us about a date change for this event: On Thursday, February 22nd, we made a decision to move the dates to the fall – September 26-29 – instead of this April. This was done based on consistent feedback from sponsors and target attendees.

I want to make sure that you alter your own calendars, and more information will follow as we move forward.

Peter Jacobs
MCC - Motorcyclists Confederation of Canada
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