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First off, new member....Hello,

Ive been a rider for years but have moved from cruisers to sport bikes. I've finally settled on a very pretty 05 F4i with very few kms.

Before this I was minutes from picking up a clean looking 2007 750 Gixxer. Seller worked out of a motorcycle shop and seemed like a nice knowledgeable and enthusiastic guy. Despite this he said this was his bike and it was a private sale. Literally, right before putting my shoes on with the 6 G's in my pocket I decided to do a quick online VIN check. REBUILT. Of course.

Nowhere in the ad does he mention rebuild and never once mentioned it chatting away with me about how great it was. Infact, the beginning of the ad says: "This Suzuki is Perfect". What BS! Here is a link to the ad.

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/mcy/1521571539.html

Lots of people say explicitly in their ads if its a rebuild. That is the honest thing to do. Saying a rebuild is "perfect" is a load and he knows it. Now I'm getting all pissed off again.

When I asked him about it he said "Oh I thought you knew.". If you didnt mention it in your ad and you don't tell me why would I know? He started going into something about the frame being replaced.

I remained very polite and let him know I would not be purchasing it. In retrospect maybe I should have gave him some words (huge waste of my time) but all is ok now.

I'm picking up a beautiful F4i tomorrow with a clean title so things are just dandy. Moral is, don't let your emotions get in the way of common sense. Do the checks and remember there's always a better bike out there, waiting.
 

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Phone number in the CL ad is from 5th Gear motorsports :s

I agree, rebuilt status should always be mentioned in the ad. BTW, this thread is about to turn into a shitstorm flamefest.

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Early congrats on the purchase!
 

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I don't care for popcorn. I believe I will savor this fine thread with a nice Pinot.
And thank you.
 

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First off, new member....Hello,

Ive been a rider for years but have moved from cruisers to sport bikes. I've finally settled on a very pretty 05 F4i with very few kms.

Before this I was minutes from picking up a clean looking 2007 750 Gixxer. Seller worked out of a motorcycle shop and seemed like a nice knowledgeable and enthusiastic guy. Despite this he said this was his bike and it was a private sale. Literally, right before putting my shoes on with the 6 G's in my pocket I decided to do a quick online VIN check. REBUILT. Of course.

Nowhere in the ad does he mention rebuild and never once mentioned it chatting away with me about how great it was. Infact, the beginning of the ad says: "This Suzuki is Perfect". What BS! Here is a link to the ad.

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/mcy/1521571539.html

Lots of people say explicitly in their ads if its a rebuild. That is the honest thing to do. Saying a rebuild is "perfect" is a load and he knows it. Now I'm getting all pissed off again.

When I asked him about it he said "Oh I thought you knew.". If you didnt mention it in your ad and you don't tell me why would I know? He started going into something about the frame being replaced.

I remained very polite and let him know I would not be purchasing it. In retrospect maybe I should have gave him some words (huge waste of my time) but all is ok now.

I'm picking up a beautiful F4i tomorrow with a clean title so things are just dandy. Moral is, don't let your emotions get in the way of common sense. Do the checks and remember there's always a better bike out there, waiting.
I don't know how you narrowed it down to an F4I or a GSXR 1000. VERY, VERY different bikes.

Good for you for investigating, but......

A couple of points.

$6000 is about $2000 below average price for a K7 1K. Why are you surprised it's rebuilt.

Just because a bike has a rebuilt title doesn't mean it's not perfect. If you have doubts, spend $100 and take it the shop / mechanic of your choice and they will go over it with a fine tooth comb. An 8 foot strightedge and a couple of chalk lines snapped on the floor will tell you all you need to know about the straightness of the chassis and frame. If it has a new frame, it probably is perfect.

My next bike will be a K7. That was the year that they made massive improvements to the GSXR 1000, it's also the most powerful engine put in a GSXR 1000, 170+HP with a slip-on. It's the best year IMO.

good luck.

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I don't know how you narrowed it down to an F4I or a GSXR 1000. VERY, VERY different bikes.

Good for you for investigating, but......

A couple of points.

$6000 is about $2000 below average price for a K7 1K. Why are you surprised it's rebuilt.

Just because a bike has a rebuilt title doesn't mean it's not perfect. If you have doubts, spend $100 and take it the shop / mechanic of your choice and they will go over it with a fine tooth comb. An 8 foot strightedge and a couple of chalk lines snapped on the floor will tell you all you need to know about the straightness of the chassis and frame. If it has a new frame, it probably is perfect.

My next bike will be a K7. That was the year that they made massive improvements to the GSXR 1000. It's the best year IMO.

good luck.

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It's a 750, not a 1000.
 

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I was always pretty open to several different bikes. I just wanted something reliable and fun. The Honda was an obvious choice but seeing the 750 made me question that.

I agree its a nice bike and probably fine but... if its so perfect why didn't the re-build get mentioned before he was rushing me the purchase agreement? The seller was not honest. To me, that's a deal breaker.
 

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I was always pretty open to several different bikes. I just wanted something reliable and fun. The Honda was an obvious choice but seeing the 750 made me question that.

I agree its a nice bike and probably fine but... if its so perfect why didn't the re-build get mentioned before he was rushing me the purchase agreement? The seller was not honest. To me, that's a deal breaker.
Q: How do you tell when a salesman is lying?

A: When his lips are moving.

If this was a dealer selling to you as a private sale, you need to forward a complaint to the MVDA.

You may have thought you were potentially buying off a private individual. Maybe you were. If you were not, and were buying off a shop (a professional salesperson/bike re-builder), the MVDA should know this.

A dealership has more responsibilities than a private seller, so this dodge is a shortcut around a large set of liabilities.

Can't be proved, but if they get a lot of complaints, they might act. This is a frequent scam in the Japanese grey market by the way. Overdrive Imports in Richmond being the worst offender as far as I know.
 

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The VIN check is a must before purchasing. From OP it appears as if you already had the VIN number with you but didn't checked it until last stage of negotiation.
A clean title doesn't mean that the vehicle has never been in an accident/dropped. It just means that it wasn't repaired at the reputed dealer/mechanic shop.

I think only 50% of seller's are upfront in ad about accident/rebuilt/salvage title. Like Kerunt mentioned the sellers should provide the frequently-asked-info in the ad.

For ads like these there is this (Chrome / firefox) browser extension that suggests on top to 'ask about if it was in an accident'.
http://lifehacker.com/5416802/craigslist-car-research-extension-makes-used+car-shopping-easier

The price is less than what similar yr/model bike listed on craigslist (US), so that should be a hint that the bike is not perfect and hard to sell at that price.
 

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That's fucken bullshit muthafucken fucker shit! Kill that [email protected]@!! Ok, just testing the mod sensitivity....like checking your brakes in wet conditions. Gotta know the limits if you're goina push em. But hey, that's life. And mostly common sense, a little awareness and if you think something sounds too good.... buying from a motorcycle mechanic would have been the first "ding" to go off. Unless you knew the guy and how he rode and cared for things. It's the law for cars to declare but ultimately it's really up to you. There's the blah blah blah about how he should have done this or that but it's your money and you should do whatever you like with it. If you want it, buy it. If not, don't. Ask a lot of questions and if things don't make sense, you'll know what to do. And in this case you did. In buying and selling, the seller wants what is best for him/her as well as the buyer. Going in with an open mind like you and you'll be fine....
 

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Shame for Bill if one of his employees is doing something to tarnish the reputation of his business. Says something about the general feeling on the board about 5th gear (positive) that this hasn't turned into a 5th gear bashfest.......yet
 

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I agree he should have told you, but I also think its kinda "buyer beware" and you should always do your research. When people list adds that say rebuild or has been dropped, which most bikes have at some point( even if that just means there was a scratch on fairing) that instantly opens the door for the seller to be low balled, so i can see why a seller wouldnt offer up that info. I think if the bike has "fresh paint" or "custom paint" " aftermarket body" those are a few things that would make me wonder..
 

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Ever wonder why you never see many 10+ year old sport bikes on the road?

Because they've ALL been destroyed.

I always assume a bike's been dropped, rebuilt or otherwise molested when being sold used unless the seller proves otherwise. Dealers on the other hand are legally bound to disclose rebuilt history. Private sellers are not.

Here's a first hand 'for instance'...

I had a beautiful 1998 TL1000R bought new in 1998. Just mint. The bike gets stolen out of my garage and is recovered by police after a week. The bike wasn't dropped by the thief except for a scratch on three pieces of bodywork where he leaned it up against something and a scratch on the frame from when he pulled out the ignition tumbler. Aside from that, the bike was fine.

ICBC says replace the bodywork and FRAME because of the scratches to the tune of $8000!!! They won't write it off but now the bike has an $8000 dec because of a 3" scratch on the frame.

So the bike is REBUILD status because of a 3" scratch on the frame.

Anyhow, never assume a bike doesn't have a rebuild status - always assume it does unless proven otherwise. Not saying that you weren't within your rights to be upset.
 

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Dealer:

Declarations and the disclosure of material facts

Written sales agreement for used vehicles must include:

* whether the vehicle was brought in for sale from outside the province and the name of any other jurisdiction where the vehicle was registered, if known to the dealer;
* if it was used as a police car, taxi, emergency, lease or rental vehicle;
* whether the odometer accurately records the true distance traveled or kilometres indicated; and
* if the vehicle had sustained damage which cost more than $2,000.

In addition, the dealer is required by law to disclose anything that would be material to your decision to purchase the vehicle. This could include, but is not limited to, such things as:

* whether the vehicle was declared as salvage and rebuilt
* was stolen and recovered,
* sustained damage under $2,000
* the actual amount of any damage over $2,000.

You should be very clear about your preferences and requirements. By doing so, you are indicating what is material to you as a buyer.
Private:

Private sales account for over 20% of used vehicle transactions in BC. A private seller may offer a vehicle at a lower price than a dealer and may be able to give you first-hand proof of its accident and repair history if he is selling you his own car.

If you buy from a private owner, you almost always buy "as is". You negotiate price on the basis of your evaluation of the vehicle and what you think will be needed to correct any defects. Your remedies are very limited if things go wrong.

Be careful to avoid being taken advantage of by dishonest sellers or unlicensed dealers. It will be difficult to get compensation from a private seller if there are problems with the vehicle. If the vehicle you buy was stolen, you won't be able to register it and could lose both the vehicle and your money.

If you decide to buy from a private individual:

* Ask for the original registration form and examine it closely. Do not accept a photocopy. Check to see that the vehicle is registered in the name of the seller. Verify the owner's address with the registration form and the location of sale.
* Check to see that the vehicle identification number (VIN) on the registration form is the same number that is stamped on the identification plate on the vehicle dash.
* If the seller claims to have owned the vehicle since it was new, or for any length of time, ask to see the repair bills and maintenance records.
* Ask if the vehicle has even been in an accident. If so, ask what the damage was, who fixed it and what it cost to fix. Find out if the auto body shop that repaired the vehicle was approved to do ICBC repairs.
* Check for liens against the vehicle.
* If the seller makes certain claims about the vehicle, such as saying it has a new transmission or rebuilt motor, get it in writing; and
* Get a vehicle inspection and obtain a vehicle history report to avoid problem vehicles.

If you buy from a private seller, the seller will give you the Owner's Certificate of Registration and a signed Transfer/Tax form (or APV9T). It is best to go to an Autoplan agent with the seller. The agent will use these signed forms to process the transfer of ownership. Make sure the seller has completely filled in their part of the form.

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2007 SUZUKI GSXR-750 - $5750 (edmonds)

only 1500 miles, i'll throw in my helmet and a rain cover. i've put a gel seat on the bike and also converted the rear view mirrors to bar end mirrors and the holes where the old mirrors where are now the blinkers. need to sell, tryin to buy a house
$5750.00 o.b.o. call 206-423-3084
 

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Buy one in Washington

2007 SUZUKI GSXR-750 - $5750 (edmonds)

only 1500 miles, i'll throw in my helmet and a rain cover. i've put a gel seat on the bike and also converted the rear view mirrors to bar end mirrors and the holes where the old mirrors where are now the blinkers. need to sell, tryin to buy a house
$5750.00 o.b.o. call 206-423-3084
Well, say you get the bike for $5500US, that would be be about $5720CAD

Add 12% tax = approx $6405 CAD + $200 RIV = $6605 CAD landed

Not bad....about the same price as the rebuilt bike, with 16000 less km's & a couple farkles.
 

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A bit of a mountain out of a molehill if you ask me.

There are lots of wiped out sportbikes that are f'd up badly and
rebuilt without ICBC ever knowing about the accident.

Your "minty" CBR600 might have done a few cartwheels before
it was put back together - without anyone knowing otherwise.
 
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