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i think some folks may be missing a key point.. if the park board were to grant a 'permit' the organizers would have a much tougher time calling it a protest. It would be viewed more like a festival and they would likely be on the hook for further costs.
This may be true but I don't buy that you can't stop this iteration. Send a meter-maid type to hand out tickets. Don't even bother with participants just the vendors and organizers. "I see you setting up a booth. In 10 minutes I'm coming back to fine you for operating without a license. The park is closed. In 20 minutes VPD will arrest you for trespassing."
Maybe not exactly this but you get the idea; losing money or having a record is enough of a threat to get most ppl moving.

"we pay for everything involved except policing.”
A joke. 1) no insurance 2) policing isn't cheap 3) parks board quotes a 250k/yr loss on this. Probably inflated but there is no way the organizers have paid their share.

Bottom line is the money. Most ppl could live with it if they knew it wasn't going to cost them a thing and yes put it on even footing with every other event.
 

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not gonna go into what the city / park board quotes and for which years.. they combine shit between 2017 and 2018.
Every time i turn the page there's another yoddle shooting themselves in the foot, contradicting other comments.

according to the organizers insurance is in place, as quoted above. again, if its so easy to just hand out tickets..
then why did it go off without a hitch? without a single arrest and no fines? IF your fellow taxpayers are so damn
sketchy and rowdy, why is nobody in jail today? The parks are there for all citizens. You dont get to pick and choose.

i went for a ride today, i did not see any Unicorns out there.. you guys SWEAR they exist :coffee

c'mon its like talking to a 2-year old.. over the coming years the model will likely shift to something more inline with whats going on in Seattle.

AND EVEN THEN!! the local NO-FUN-TOWn crowd will still be bitching, whining, and looking for unicorns. talk is cheap :canadian

in a week, the new numbers will be released.. y'all can argue about it at such time. There are plenty of things TAX-payer's $
is epent all over town and noboby bats an eye.. Heck politicians themselves blow $$ out the wazoo and they get a hefty raise because of it.
 

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:coffee

yeh pot smokers are a rowdy bunch. alright :thumbup


i'm trying to read some of the posts with a straight face. It seems this year there was a distinct lack of younger peeps attending..

so we're looking at taxpayers arguing / bitching about other taxpayers, enjoying their civil liberties. :laughing

the exact same folks will be back later this year for the fireworks.. and there will be no tiles laid down on the exact same beach nor other near it..

the only difference? there will most likely be arrests, thanks to heavy drinkers in attendance. :thumbup
Yep, cleaning up spilled potato chips and cheezies is a monumental task. And don't forget about the impact to the grass where many had to lay for a quick nap.
 

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As a taxpayer, and one that is directly footing this bill
Gee willikers grumpman, that's just so, so sad.

It's unfortunate that you're personally out so much pocket change on this, hopefully you can still manage to keep your head above water. Let me know if you cats/dogs/children must forgo their weekly meal, I'm sure we can start a gofeedme account.

Man, this is just like the annual 'skin grafts for squids' fund, which the BCSB bean-counters have repeatedly insisted, when broken down to the individual 'out of pocket' cost over a full decade... well, let's just say someone is going to fall far short of affording their double-crap-frapaccino at their next bucks' run. Tragedy!
 

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As for the attendees to this event, I’ve always categorized people who smoke,,,anything, as selfish boors, who by their habit, infect 100-200 meters downwind everyone else’s right not to smell any kind but fresh air. I always bring up the example of a you g couple sipping a glass of red wine out of a glass at the beach, e everyone within 3 feet oblivious to their illegal act. Same couple smoking anything, forcing everyone downwind to put up with their activity. Complete social miscreants every one of them.
sadly, this "right not to smell any kind but fresh air" seems to fall flat when it's dirty diesel trucks belching black carcinogens. it's the stinkiest shit in the streets, hands down. But no one seems to care when Suzy Sizzletits saddles up in her overpriced and undertuned 'chipped' dually, not hauling anything but starbucks and screaming kids. It's EVERYWHERE. It stinks. It CAUSES cancer, rather than aid the fight against it.

But oh hey those silly stoners are burning plants, muk muk muk, GIT EM BOZ



Fairly lame attempt at deflection, going after seizes trucks. Obviously you’re doing your part by ridding yourself of internal combustion engines, especially those of leisure, like motorbikes. And of course stepping up by boycotting any products you enjoy in life that were delivered by horrible diesel powered vehicles.

Actually, I’m laughing at you. Hypocrisy is deep, thick, and easy to identity here, as is selfishness, forcing the whole neighbourhood any chance of fresh air, all without any of the hoops any other event must jump through.

Again, I feel sorry for anyone who pays taxes in Van, if the did not vote in the communists of the last 10 years.
 

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according to the organizers insurance is in place, as quoted above. again, if its so easy to just hand out tickets..
then why did it go off without a hitch? without a single arrest and no fines?
You can’t believe the organizers about insurance. They also say they pay the costs associated but refuse to pay for policing costs because they don’t believe in it. What makes a reasonable person think they won’t pay for expected insurance policies, because it’s something they don’t believe in?

St Paul’s treated 42 people for cannabis related health concerns, mostly related to edibles.

VPD arrested six people.

I feel the major issue is that you have a trade show/party/concert going on in flagrant violation of the rules that all other festivals deal with. This includes permission by the venue operator, paying for policing costs and paying for permits. How the organizers present themselves is as a bunch of people who don’t need to follow rules they don’t want to and have no concern for other people’s quality of life. As long as they can spark up then they are happy and that’s all that matters.

If you think I’m anti-cannabis, you couldn’t be farther from the truth. The legalization has greatly reduced my paperwork and greatly increased the financial penalties for those that can’t follow the rules. That’s a win/win to me.*
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Fairly lame attempt at deflection, going after diesel trucks.
Lame, in your lame duck truck?

The nose knows. You can smell the truth behind my statements - if not - I double-dog dare you to take the diesel-huff challenge! Just one, deep, long pull. hold in lungs for 20 seconds.

Spoiler alert: You won't. No one has ever accepted this challenge. You'd have to be a complete fool ignorant of all science, and your very own senses.

but oi vey, industry!
yes yes, this isn't going away anytime soon - but you can certainly start with the chucklefucks in diesel trucks who don't haul anything of industrial worth, and just use the elevated platform to hang their plastic nuts.

Diesel to be banned from all city centers. Special permits required to maintain operation of outdated combustion engine vehicles. Invest in a greener future, today!

The future is electric, comrade
 

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Fairly lame attempt at deflection, going after diesel trucks.
Lame, in your lame duck truck?

The nose knows. You can smell the truth behind my statements - if not - I double-dog dare you to take the diesel-huff challenge! Just one, deep, long pull. hold in lungs for 20 seconds.

Spoiler alert: You won't. No one has ever accepted this challenge. You'd have to be a complete fool ignorant of all science, and your very own senses.

but oi vey, industry!
yes yes, this isn't going away anytime soon - but you can certainly start with the chucklefucks in diesel trucks who don't haul anything of industrial worth, and just use the elevated platform to hang their plastic nuts.

Diesel to be banned from all city centers. Special permits required to maintain operation of outdated combustion engine vehicles. Invest in a greener future, today!

The future is electric, comrade


Yeah I was right. Fidel. Hypocrisy is deep and thick with you.
 

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SMELL IT!

Something stinks in Vancouver, and it ain't the weed!

o right, steveG dislikes facts and doesn't ever ever ever click links


> Based on the current health impact analysis, on-road and off-road diesel emissions result in significant and substantial population health impacts and societal costs in Canada via the contribution of DE to ambient concentrations of criteria air contaminants. The modelling undertaken estimates that on-road diesel emissions are associated with 320 premature mortalities for 2015 (valued at $2.3 billion), with 65% and 35% of the estimated mortalities attributable to ambient PM2.5 and NO2, respectively. On-road and off-road diesel emissions are associated with 710 premature mortalities (valued at $5.1 billion), with 65%, 32% and 3% of the estimated mortalities being attributable to ambient PM2.5, NO2 and O3, respectively. Diesel emissions are also associated with significant numbers of acute respiratory symptom days, restricted activity days, asthma symptom days, hospital admissions, emergency room visits, child acute bronchitis episodes and adult chronic bronchitis cases across Canada. Results from the AQBAT simulations for the current assessment suggest that on-road and off-road emissions each contribute approximately equally to population health impacts. The results also indicate that both on-road and off-road diesel applications have significant health impacts in major Canadian urban centres. Diesel emissions have higher health impacts in the most populated provinces, such as British Columbia, Alberta, Ontario and Quebec, and in the most populated census divisions, which correspond to the Greater Vancouver, Calgary, Winnipeg, Toronto and Montréal areas. The greatest air quality impacts are also observed in those areas. Overall, it is concluded that efforts should continue to further reduce emissions of DE in Canada, particularly in areas with large populations.


tl:dr; diesel stinks
 

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I'd guess that the insurance policy the event holders had was an Adidas bag stuffed with bundles of cash. If a problem came up that would insure they could escape with the proceeds.
 

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SMELL IT!

Something stinks in Vancouver, and it ain't the weed!

o right, steveG doesn't ever click links


> Based on the current health impact analysis, on-road and off-road diesel emissions result in significant and substantial population health impacts and societal costs in Canada via the contribution of DE to ambient concentrations of criteria air contaminants. The modelling undertaken estimates that on-road diesel emissions are associated with 320 premature mortalities for 2015 (valued at $2.3 billion), with 65% and 35% of the estimated mortalities attributable to ambient PM2.5 and NO2, respectively. On-road and off-road diesel emissions are associated with 710 premature mortalities (valued at $5.1 billion), with 65%, 32% and 3% of the estimated mortalities being attributable to ambient PM2.5, NO2 and O3, respectively. Diesel emissions are also associated with significant numbers of acute respiratory symptom days, restricted activity days, asthma symptom days, hospital admissions, emergency room visits, child acute bronchitis episodes and adult chronic bronchitis cases across Canada. Results from the AQBAT simulations for the current assessment suggest that on-road and off-road emissions each contribute approximately equally to population health impacts. The results also indicate that both on-road and off-road diesel applications have significant health impacts in major Canadian urban centres. Diesel emissions have higher health impacts in the most populated provinces, such as British Columbia, Alberta, Ontario and Quebec, and in the most populated census divisions, which correspond to the Greater Vancouver, Calgary, Winnipeg, Toronto and Montréal areas. The greatest air quality impacts are also observed in those areas. Overall, it is concluded that efforts should continue to further reduce emissions of DE in Canada, particularly in areas with large populations.


tl:dr; diesel stinks

You must have pulled your hair out during the VW fraudulent envisions scandal?
 

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You must have pulled your hair out during the VW fraudulent envisions scandal?
meh. just always assume corporate corruption and lies, and you'll almost never be disappointed
 

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I'd guess that the insurance policy the event holders had was an Adidas bag stuffed with bundles of cash. If a problem came up that would insure they could escape with the proceeds.
regardless of all the BS back and forth its truly a moot point as NOTHING HAPPENED!! nothing went wrong, nobody died.


All i keep hearing from council is a bunch of rhetoric, the fact is THEY want CONTROL!
it has jack-shit to do with some dumb by-law not allowing 'cigarette smoke' in parks.

St Paul’s treated 42 people for cannabis related health concerns, mostly related to edibles.
Of course they did, its to be expected..

have you ever had any type of 'edible' with cannabis content? most people who have not, will have 'concerns'..

i believe the organizers mentioned St Pauls concerns, and they donated $$ directly to them because of this.. A little selective reading perhaps? :D

in regards to INSURANCE, i believe you should adjust your post.. YOU cant believe the organizers,
because YOU think they dont believe in it.. it appears you would be mistaken.

Personally, i have no reason to doubt the event was 'insured'.. Cypress Hill would otherwise not have played..
The park board shook their fist on the air sighting a possible 'stage' catastrophe, uhmm.. Cypress Hill played on that same stage, nothing happened. :D

I've got friends who were backstage all day long.

Dana Larsen, an organizer with 420, said finding a company to insure an event that does not have a permit has historically been a challenge.

"It's very hard to get insurance when you don't have a permit, [it's] one of the many ways in which
the park board refusing us a permit puts them, as well, in a situation of liability."

He said the city will also be held responsible if something goes wrong.

Larsen declined to say which company insured the event.


So, now you're gonna tell me there were no other motives for the CITY / PARKs BOARD to deny a permit?
then a few days prior to the actual event the PARKS BOARD decided to vote against CYPRESS HILL playing?

you think maybe something backfired with the original plan, and perhaps Larsen is not lying, insurance was provided regardless of the CITY's efforts?

all i'm saying is a whole LOT of all these arguments posted rely heavily on the imaginary, on
paranoia, on a general distrust of organizers and the event itself.. very little is actually based on fact.
 

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I had to do a little digging for a proper report.. ( i see no mention of any actual arrests, so who knows if even related)

This evening, Vancouver police said they were busy managing a large crowd at 4/20, but also revealed that there were no major incidents.

According to a VPD news release, officers assisted B.C. Emergency Health Services with 14 medical emergencies.

The VPD also issued more than 30 tickets and three people were investigated for impaired driving.


"Today was a good example of remarkable teamwork between the Vancouver Police, fellow first responders, the Vancouver park board, and the City of Vancouver, allowing for a safe environment during a large-scale event," Sgt. Jason Robillard, a VPD spokesperson, said.

According to the VPD, the crowd peaked at around 60,000 just before 4:30 p.m., when the band Cypress Hill took the stage.

A 4/20 organizer, Dana Larsen, pegged the peak*at 65,000 and claimed that the event drew 150,000 through the day.
He also declared over Twitter that the VPD has praised the private security at 4/20.

Dana Larsen

VPD told me our private security was great and that Odyssey Medical was fantastic. Said only problem was a few more drunks showed up than last year. They have no problems with 4/20 and seem to enjoy our protest.

Clean up is going really well, things looking great already.
 

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Well someone has drank deeply at the well of Dana Larsen and the Emory’s proclamations.

Apparently all was well, nobody upset, VPD didn’t arrest anyone and thought the security was perfect, people who went to St Pauls’s were only there because they were “concerned”. *Since the parties who put on the show, all unbiased and beyond reproach, provided this information and said everything was okey dokey then that’s what it was. I’m sure all of them maintained sobriety throughout the day as to ensure everything went safely and smoothly and were then able to provide such accurate reports. Too bad that Sunset Beach is closed for several weeks to repair the damage that was done. I’m sure the organizers have a perfect reason for that as well.
 

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OK lots of people stating that the VPA "made no arrests" ??? when was the last time the VPA made any drug arrests at all ? Vancouver has been a drug enabling city for decades.....
I have other "vises" but I really do not understand why the people who must get high to live demand respect but refuse to follow any laws? the classic being my rights as a non smoker are irrelevant. The stuff is legal but they seem to still have the us vs the man mentality.
 

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My drug of choice is a motorcycle on a paved track. Until the powers that be give me some harm reduction I won't shed a tear for the folk who feel boxed in by the man.

Paved track, not something scabbed onto a drag strip lined with cement and armaco. Not some millionaire private club. One decent track equal or better than Westwood for all of the province. Just one.
 

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Should sneak one in on the Massey tunnel replacement. *Just put the line item as environmental impact study phase 5. *No one would bat an eye.
 
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