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This is nothing more than a personal opinion but I wonder how many others feel the way I do.

Even though the Conservatives won the last federal election, it is obvious to anyone who wants to see, that Canadian society is very fractioned along ideological lines.

We are, more or less, split in half when it comes to our political leaning tendencies.
About half the country has socialist tendencies while the other half is clearly right leaning, from mild to extreme.

How could a nation have grown so divided on fundamental issues such as the protection of our rights and liberties, morality, religious views, military strength and an uncompromising, solid economical future?

How can we as a nation continue to grow and coexist in peace when the differences between us are so vast and irreconcilable?

I’d like to think that I don’t hate any individuals for being on one side of the fence or the other but I certainly abhor the notion of socialism and social engineering for the goal of creating a “progressive” society.


I feel that I am at war all the time; that I have to be almost militant in my zeal to preserve the life style that I value and cherish, from those who are trying to rob me of my freedoms, universal rights and liberties and human dignity.

I understand that living in a democratic society requires certain flexibility and that we all have to give a little, but when some are asked to give it all up so that those on the opposing side can keep it all, that sense of peaceful co-existing is gone.

There should be room for everyone’s life styles, dreams and aspiration in our country but unfortunately this is not a big concern for those who can make a difference.

If we want to reclaim our right to a live in a world of reason, understanding and progress then we must put in place some safe guards so that ordinary citizens and their fears and concern can never again become peons in the hands of politicians.

We should implement a short list of inalienable rights and liberties that can never again be taken away from us by power hungry politicians in a bid to impress certain sections of the electorate, for their own political gain.

The Charter of Rights and Freedoms needs to be revamped, simplified and cleared of any and all ambiguities. It also needs to be made permanent so that we can always turn to it for support and find it there.

Progress is a good thing, but not at the expense of our rights, liberties and dignity.

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ok... so do somthign about it, having a discussion here wont do nothing. Get in touch with the gov't and try to fight the good fight. You have many points that are valid and i'm sure ppl will follow your shit. But you cant be taken seriously on some site. Why not attempt at trying to run in your riding next election?
 

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Run for MP, Flo. I'll vote for ya. :thumbup
 

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FloMan said:
The Charter of Rights and Freedoms needs to be revamped, simplified and cleared of any and all ambiguities. It also needs to be made permanent so that we can always turn to it for support and find it there.
Start with this. Protect the rights of the individual and the rest tends to fall in place.



Jeez Louise!! Last month you were bugging us to vote Conservative. Aren't you ever happy? Go get a hooker or something and relax.
 

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male hooker?
 

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I'm with ya, FloMan, socialism blows. Ever read a novel called Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand? You'd love it.
 

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Who is John Galt?
 

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FloMan said:
The Charter of Rights and Freedoms needs to be revamped, simplified and cleared of any and all ambiguities. It also needs to be made permanent so that we can always turn to it for support and find it there.
Just trying to understand something here... You want to revamp the Charter, and remove all ambiguities - which, in my opinion tend to be good since they allow flexible interpretation of the Charter and Constitution - and then ONCE it has been revamped, you want to make it permanent so that in 20 to 30 years, perhaps when societal views on particular aspects of life change, we can no longer modify the Charter? Do I understand your meaning correctly? This isn't a flame; I just want to make sure I'm reading what you wrote clearly. The Charter should be viewed according to the Living Tree Doctrine (that is, according to the Doctrine of Progressive Interpretation, which is a fundamental principle of interpretation) in that as our society changes, the Charter can be updated to reflect such things, or at least the ambiguity that exists allows us to view the charter in reflection of our society as it exists today, as opposed to a “rooted” method which would force us to view the Constitution in reflection of the date it was written and apply that interpretation to events that are occurring now… which needless to say would most definitely eliminate such things as Same Sex Marriage and Abortion.

If you just meant you want to see a more progressive view of the Charter, giving the individuals more rights and freedoms… well – Then I support that, but I would never want to view the Constitution in the same way as we may view other statutes. That being said, if I totally missed the mark and for some reason you think the Charter isn’t a permanent part of the Constitution Act, 1982… well… I don’t know what to say to that, because it is unless I’m missing something (which, again, since this isn’t a flame and I’m not a PoliSci major is overly possible) it is.

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I think I agree with this. The charter of rights and freedoms is complete ineffective and niave in this current state. Canadian rights should NOT be extended to those on Canadian soil for example. That would be great if everyone were honest upstanding citizens, but in this day and age its a huge hole exploited by countless numbers of "bad" people.

I also believe there needs to be accountibility in the political realm. If the Liberals had done what they got caught doing in the gomery report they would be in prison. But no were in Canada. A nation that apparently believes a slap on the wrist is a solution for pretty much everything. Corruption reigns supreme here.
 

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you sure know how to shater dreams

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So who is trying to take away my freedoms?

What freedoms are currently in danger?

With whom am I to have irreconcilable differences?

What issue(s) are we too be opposed on?

What isn't in the charter that needs to be?

What's in it that shouldn't be?

WTF are you so worked up about?
 

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I agree with Rooster... I think the Charter is great. And define these "bad" people? Are they the ones you see on Cops? Or the ones your told about by CNN? The *gasps* "terrorists"? Whatever.
 

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Well, currently you dont have property rights. Government can "outlaw" anything you own and take it away without compensation. Liberals said property right are "too right wing" and are "american values". To put this into perspective, COMMUNIST CHINA has property rights. Cant go more left than that.
Also criminals have too many rights and priviligies. If there's a large outbreak of avian flu, criminals currently jailed will be among the first ones to get the drugs, along with medical, police, military, and other personel involved.
Another great example is the latest murder here in Lower Mainland. Some 16-17 year old punk stabbed a guy who was dropping off his girlfriend at a party. What will the punk get? Slap on the wrist and a clean record as soon as he turns 18. His layer said the "suspect and his family were in distraught". Thank the current boondoggle our un-justice system is, and especially the YOA (or whatever it's called right now).
Oh, and dont start on the "Harper is scary and wants to kill all gays" thing. He wanted to call a vote in parlament, that doesnt get more democratic. Pauly on the other hand just rammed it down everyone's throat (no pun intended).
So I'd say more than 50% of the population got their heads out of their anuses, and the rest have it waaay up there. Oh, and guess who convicts in prisons voted for.
 

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made Man said:
Well, currently you dont have property rights. Government can "outlaw" anything you own and take it away without compensation. Liberals said property right are "too right wing" and are "american values". To put this into perspective, COMMUNIST CHINA has property rights. Cant go more left than that.
Also criminals have too many rights and priviligies. If there's a large outbreak of avian flu, criminals currently jailed will be among the first ones to get the drugs, along with medical, police, military, and other personel involved.
Another great example is the latest murder here in Lower Mainland. Some 16-17 year old punk stabbed a guy who was dropping off his girlfriend at a party. What will the punk get? Slap on the wrist and a clean record as soon as he turns 18. His layer said the "suspect and his family were in distraught". Thank the current boondoggle our un-justice system is, and especially the YOA (or whatever it's called right now).
Oh, and dont start on the "Harper is scary and wants to kill all gays" thing. He wanted to call a vote in parlament, that doesnt get more democratic. Pauly on the other hand just rammed it down everyone's throat (no pun intended).
So I'd say more than 50% of the population got their heads out of their anuses, and the rest have it waaay up there. Oh, and guess who convicts in prisons voted for.
This guy knows what's goin on.
 
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