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whoops, missed that. That's cool Spike. I tried to update it a couple weeks ago, but didn't get too far. I'll do it as it's possible over the next week.

I should be able to figure out the wiki thing too.
 

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excellent, raises awareness... being a new rider, i know the thrill and andrenaline it gives, but reading all these...... experiencing one myself on friday the 13th..... almost got squished like a bug lol....

anyone can have fun and speed...

the question is how many can control that power?
can predict all the moves.... can write their own stories in their life book
don't let someone make the ending for you

start doing these strategies now. today
ride safe all
 

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Savagebovine, nice work brother,this kinda post should be mandatory reading for all new riders,what scares me is the number of newbies walking into a dealership and buying a new sportbike with way o many cc's for their ability levels or lack there of,dealership irresponsability??? Id like to know how many new riders crash within their first year of riding,I personaly would like to see a graduated license program that wont allow for a newbie rider to get on a 1000cc sport bike and turn himself into a 200ft skid mark.Ive been riding for 7 years and only recently purchased a 1000 and still find myself in awe of just how much power that kinda bike can put out,scary to think of an inexperienced rider to have access to that kinda power and the inevitable temptation to do something stupid.we all make mistakes and hopefully learn from them(crashed duing 220km/hr and had seven long days to contemplate how stupid I truly was) i was just lucky to be alive to learn from my mistake,lets make sure the newbies live long enough to learn from the mistakes we all know there going to make.Be safe everyone.
 

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Thanks for doing that for all of us. As a new rider, I found it very useful. Must have been a lot of work, but I am so glad you did it.
 

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So as a rider, there are actually some people who don't have all this in their head while they ride ?.....

EVERYTHING which occurs to you while you ride has to be accepted as YOUR responsibility .......... you simply cannot expect that some lame-ass cager will do what he is supposed to do, when he (or she) is supposed to do it.........take no chances and keep your head spinning to see what may be coming your way.......

And YES, there is a speed at which THAT (whatever that may be) could have been prevented !
 

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This is a great post...

Makes me wonder, is the danger in riding directly proportionate to the amount or volume of traffic on the roads now? In the past, say like 25 years ago, has it always been as dangerous as it is to ride in 2008? Or is this something that's happended over the last decade?

Obviously anyone but especially experienced, older riders please respond.
 

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That is one scary long list, however it serves it purpose, a must read for all new riders, and even us who have been riding for a while. I think I heard this in a song once that

"life ain't no dress rehearsal"
 

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I just stumbled upon this. All i can say is that if it saves one life, it's worth gold. This should be mandatory reading for all riders, new and experienced. We are all vulnerable.

I feel this article will particularly strike home for those of us who have survived accidents, both minor and major. I am one of these people. My bike was totaled, but somehow i escaped all major injury after being discharged from RCH. What scared me the most was how many "RIP" titles i saw and knowing all well i could of easily been one of those. I considered myself a safe and responsible rider, as i'm sure many do. But i had a moment of weakness and got caught being too aggressive. It only takes once, but someone up there gave me a second chance, something few get.

Thanks for reminding us how fragile life can be. Lets all ride like it was our last...

Godspeed....
 

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Wow that's alot of work. I didnt see mine in there though :p
I know all to well what happens when a stupid moment strikes , Took down a telephone poll at 170 k s ,,not much left of the bike ,,
glad to have some gear on though, as it saved my ass big !! My advice the newbies is to take it easy for a year or so before getting to bold ,. Drive like you are inivisable not invinceable ,,

My friend Limey has that saying on his site and how true it is, for the year of 2008. I was so dam stiff and sore for over 3 months and I could barely pull the clutch lever in my hand LOL ,, what can I say stupid moment !!:rockon :evilgrin
 

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I've got one from earlier in the season to add, but I didn't bother creating a thread about it... I was coming back down from Hemlock on my bike... obviously the higher part is gravel, but I was back on the asphalt and taking it easy because it was dirty and dusty with patches of gravel. I was in a hairpin which looked clean enough so I gave it some throttle on corner exit and lowsided. So obviously, just because a road looks clean doesn't always mean it is, and if you're on a road that you notice is dirty/dusty/sandy/gravelly in places, ride the whole road as though it is dirty/dusty/sandy/gravelly, even if the road looks clean.
 

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35 years of riding/lessons learned along the way.

When i ride it is a sport where i match my skills,ability,experience and the capabilities of my bike against inattention indifference ignorance and sometimes malicious intent by the drivers of cars and light trucks. If i am tired or distracted I tend to take the car, lack of focus while riding is risky. I may be in the right but will always lose to the cager.
Riding the twistys is still thrilling at age 51 as it was in 1973, the tires and frames are sooo much better, but i now ride to 75% of my ability to allow for gravel/sand,wet tar snakes,minivans on center lines or an error in my judgment of a safe speed. I do practice emergency braking,shifting my weight and exploring the cornering capabilities of my FZ-1 with the knowledge I will never intentionally approach 100% of our combined performance.The ticklers on my pegs are lightly scuffed.
I have survived all these years by a mix of skill, judgment and good luck and it is with the understanding i am responsible for my safety, but will pay a terrible price for any mistake by myself or others. Always wear gear appropriate to your situation.
The 69-bsa flexi frame,72-cb350 honda limited brakes,81-xl500 honda high speed wobblability,81-920rh yamaha loved to corner sorry i sold and now the fz-1 freakin scary wheely machine but loves to corner have been part of the best times of my life. Come march I will ride again see you on the road. The best sound is still a bike idling early in the morning!
 

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This is a great post...

Makes me wonder, is the danger in riding directly proportionate to the amount or volume of traffic on the roads now? In the past, say like 25 years ago, has it always been as dangerous as it is to ride in 2008? Or is this something that's happended over the last decade?

Obviously anyone but especially experienced, older riders please respond.
I can only offer my humble opinion as to whether or not your question could be answered sufficiently! After riding for over 40 years (on and off road, as well as on track) I find it an interesting observation on my part to suggest that if you live in a crowded city, as opposed to a less populated rural area, that the risk definitely increases in becoming involved with another vehicle!....on the other hand it is just as possible to crash and become hurt in isolation because of one's own irresponsible behavior involving ego and/or attitude related deficiencies!.......I have low-sided twice on the street at over 170 kph and been fortunate to have survived and matured as a result!....I have only ever been involved in one accident involving another vehicle when riding my bike and that was 2 years ago (100% cager fault). I believe my experience helped save my life!... Since then I have opted to turn my bike into a race bike and go feed my addiction to fast fun on the racetrack in Mission!...I have learned so much about how little I actually knew about riding by going racing and have since discovered that I not only feel safer on the track, but have been able to build a relationship with sportbikes, and become fulfilled by their truest intent and purpose to be ridden....I threw away my poser status and exchanged it for something real and passionate.....Racer status!!.....I just turned 51 (a bloody miracle in itself!) and have gone from being a roadracing Novice (1:28 lap times) at the beginning of 2008 to being competetive in the Am/Int Class (1:11 fastest lap time) by season's end!!!.....If there is anything I can convey to anyone about my experience, I would like it to be this; Motorcycles are Inherently Dangerous!...Risk is only truly rewarding if there is a positive pay-off!....My ego, ignorance, and attitude are my most significant enemies!!..... and I ride way differently on the street since having come to the track!....Education is the best way to avoid unnecessary pain and suffering!.....Look for the leaders in your biking circles/community and judge them by their humility, experiences, and sensibility instead of their superiority complexes or the type of 'cool' gear they fashion!....Come out to the track in 2009 and do some track days to develop a better understanding of sportbikes and their capabilities, as well as your own!.......Cheers, TommyO:rockon
 

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You just never know what will happen. Just the other day i'm riding away from my house in a quiet residential neighborhood. I'm close to home so keeping the speed at 50k so the neighbors don't throw balls at me (actually happened to my other neighbor when he drove his truck too fast) and a kid was coming down the road on his skateboard and wiped out a bit trying to get out of the middle of the road. Then he went to pick up his board and somehow it whipped out in front of me. Just like that, almost taken down by a skateboard. Who would have thought?
 

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Cover your ass

It shouldn't be a surprise that, post-accident in BC, motorcycle riders are more heavily scrutinized than drivers. We have a reputation, and for damn good reason; the minority of guys out there doing 240 k/h and pulling wheelies in traffic are pretty visible, and the rest of us semi-responsible riders get tarred with the same brush. Someone sees some genius trying to commit suicide by motorcycle and thinks we're all like that. ICBC's no different. They've got the stats; they know the injury and accident rates. One rotten grape spoils the whole fruit salad, right?

Riding like Travis Pastrana on the road is riding the elbow of the exponential curve; it's not a matter of IF you dump it, it's when. If you think it won't happen to you, pull your head out of your ass and go read the Hurt report a few times.

After the accident (which I dearly hope none of you ever have) you're gonna be under the eye, big time. The only way to be sure you survive the extra scrutiny from all involved is to not ride like a schmuck in the first place. The ONLY thing that matters to ICBC is the law; right of way is right of way, and 1 k/h over the limit is speeding.

Mission Raceway exists for a reason. Go there to chase your adrenaline rush. There it's perfectly legal, and the paramedics already know how to get there...
 
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