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Dani Padrosa takes out Hayden (his team mate) who is in the hunt for a championship. Their team management apparently does not give team orders to help Hayden along, even though Pedrosa has not hope of winning the championship for Honda. Who deserves the kick in the noogs.
 

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Dani Padrosa takes out Hayden (his team mate) who is in the hunt for a championship. Their team management apparently does not give team orders to help Hayden along, even though Pedrosa has not hope of winning the championship for Honda. Who deserves the kick in the noogs.
I was pretty shocked when I saw Pedrosa fighting Hayden off into turn one and blocking passes. When the whole thing went down with Pedrosa falling, aside from jumping up and down screaming, I was just wondering why this even had to happen. I'm all for competitive racing, but a championship is more important than letting a rook' fight it out with the big boys.

I do find it funny though - I made a bet that Hayden would crash out and Pedrosa would win it. Half right I guess:)
 

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Hayden's fault for not being far enough ahead of Pedrosa.
Really of course it's Pedrosa fault for screwing up; but it's simply a racing incident, there where no team orders for the Repsol team so Pedrosa could do as he liked..

but as well for potentially losing the championship for Hayden and the Repsol team, it's HRC's fault for not having team orders.. if orders were in effect then the crash would have most likely not happened.
 

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Honda made a huge mistake not having team orders. They screwed themselves. You can see with Yamaha they have better management.
I would love to be a fly on the wall in Honda's boardroom after this unfortunate event. Quiet the problem Honda has on their hands now with Danny & Nicky together for another two years.
 

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Pedrosa should be fired on the spot! Just for stupidity alone.. this is not the first time he's lost the front, and team orders or not, and good team mate would not attempt an inside pass, when your team mate is fighting for the championship, a good team mate would let you through and even block for you. Especially since Pedrosa no longer had a chance at the title....Fire Pedrosa, and steal Edwards from Yamaha, at least he's a good team player....
 

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There shouldnt need to be team rules, Pedrosa should know that Hayden is his team mate and not to fuck around with him; especially when Hayden is so close in the points. Overall it was a strange race, but one of the best races I have seen (re: last lap!)
 

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The little guy was just trail braking to hard and nickey just was'nt going fast enough , that friends is racing . what a finish , val is gonna do it again , he is a true champion.
 

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That was one of the worst mistakes you can make in motorsports. Early in the race, taking out your team mate who is leading the championship when you have no hope of winning the championship yourself. Even in the absence of team orders - this can't happen. Absolutely no excuse - totally boneheaded and selfish. Can anybody remember a move that was this stupid that had such an impact on a championship? I can't...
 

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Pedrosa is at fault, but as said it's racing. Racers are out there to win, second is the first loser. Did Pedrosa not have a slight mathematical chance of winning the champonship? With no team orders in effect he was out there looking out for #1 -himself of course. besides crashing and unfortunately taking out Hayden he did nothing wrong.
 

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So it's ok to force pedrosa off his line if you're in the lead? Fuck that. They have no orders, and they both played within the team's rules (not their own). Pedrosa made a mistake, he came in too hot and tucked the front. This is racing, not politics. Get your heads out of your asses.

Had hayden won some racing and earned a lead, this wouldn't even be an issue. he's got what, 2 wins and one pole, to rossi's 6/4? Even pedrosa has 2 wins and 4 poles, and this is his first season. Nikki has what, 3 career motogp wins...ever. I'm glad that the talent is going to get the gold. Maybe next year, we'll have a boring season, an somone who finishes 3rd every race will win...let's all cross our fingers. :rolleyes

I'm thankfull for the best gp race season I've ever seen, anyone feel the same?
 

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So it's ok to force pedrosa off his line if you're in the lead? Fuck that. They have no orders, and they both played within the team's rules (not their own). Pedrosa made a mistake, he came in too hot and tucked the front. This is racing, not politics. Get your heads out of your asses.

Had hayden won some racing and earned a lead, this wouldn't even be an issue. he's got what, 2 wins and one pole, to rossi's 6/4? Even pedrosa has 2 wins and 4 poles, and this is his first season. Nikki has what, 3 career motogp wins...ever. I'm glad that the talent is going to get the gold. Maybe next year, we'll have a boring season, an somone who finishes 3rd every race will win...let's all cross our fingers. :rolleyes

I'm thankfull for the best gp race season I've ever seen, anyone feel the same?
This is racing, business and yes, politics. See the look on the faces of the Honda team as they watched the feed from their timing stand? Make no mistake, this is going to follow Pedrosa around for a long time. This is big business on a worldwide stage. You can't do that and shrug your shoulders and say "that's racing".
 

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You can't do that and shrug your shoulders and say "that's racing".
yes you can, and it is.

It may mean that Hayden is going to want to stick his foot up Pedrosa's ass for some time to come, but it's not going to "follow" Pedrosa around.. Pedrosa is the new HRC golden boy and the numbers he's gained this year support their support of him. what did he do wrong? Crash at the wrong time, big whoop. This won't hurt his career.
 

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he has a two year contract. I'm thinking he'll be world champion before hayden ever would.. So i don't think it'll matter that much. Wait, isn't he already a world champion?

Honda laid out the rules. They want their riders to go for it, and that's what they did. He wiped out..big deal. When you have a everyone out for themselves creedo, don't get all pissy when it bites you in the ass. Look at the lines, he wasn't trying to pass, he just came in too hot. Just an incident in racing. They say the chamionship isn't over yet. Rossi could have a failure...Nikki could have talent, you never know what might happen. We'll find out in two weeks.
 

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an amazing race for sure. from a 'championship' level, i believe it was honda's fault if they didn't have directives that pedrosa should protect hayden's ass first and foremost. the championship is about points, not number of wins. They work for HONDA. Edwards has proven his metal in doing so for Rossi and Yamaha.
 

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if it was the other way around and the american took out the spaniard leading the championship he'd be buried in ama dirttracking by honda for the rest of his career.

also if it was the spaniard leading the championship and the american trailing there would have been team orders for sure much as there were throughout the years with rossi and ukawa on the hondas.

that was not 'just racing' that was incredibly stupid and inexcusable.
 
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pedrosa is by far a better rider than the kentucky fried kid.

and so he lost it in a turn and happened to take out his team mate? tough titties, that's racing.
 

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Can anybody remember a move that was this stupid that had such an impact on a championship? I can't...
The 2000 World Supersport championship comes to mind. Points leader Teuchert was leading his home round ahead of his Yamaha Germany teammate Kellner on the last lap, when Kellner did exactly what Pedrosa did to Hayden, taking them both out of the race. Teuchert's closest rival, Chambon, won the race for Alstare Suzuki and, if memory serves, he took over the points lead with one race to go. Luckily for Yamaha, Chambon's bike broke down at the final race at Brands Hatch, giving Kellner the championship. We'll have to see if Hayden has that kind of luck in Valencia...
 

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And by the way, what makes people believe that HRC really has no team orders simply because that's what Honda is telling the media? They have the chance to win back the championship for the first time since 2003, from the very man who has made their life hell since leaving them and dominating MotoGP on a Yamaha, and we're expected to believe Honda wouldn't have any team orders at such a crucial point in the season? Think about it...
 
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