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Failed my road test today...along with a few other other PRS students...

Surrey was overbooked so they got us in at Richmond...so wow...um...

Couple pointers for those going to Richmond:

1. They mark uncontrolled intersections. I scanned them (obviously..) but didn't bother to make obvious, stupid head movements, so occasionally he didn't see me look, and I got dinged once.

2. Not sure if they do the whole double shoulder check while doing ANYTHING, but I did it anyways and he mentioned he liked how I was 360 inspecting all the time, so I suggest doing it.

3. THE GILBERT ST BRIDGE onto RUSS BAKER WAY. Check that out before going to the test. This is where we all failed. You take a right off of Gilbert and merge onto Russ Baker. The lane you're in immediately turns into a bus only HOV with a solid white line. If you're in it and can't get over, you auto-fail. So DON'T go even if you have room in the lane, try to time it so you can force your way over to the center

I barely made it in, but I did. Two guys failed there. Anyways, about 10 seconds later he said "turn right at the first set of lights". You'll see the lights about 100m+ away in the distance...

Now, about 90m away from it (or more really, check google maps...) the bus only HOV BRIEFLY (for 3 white line lengths, so about 3 car lengths), turns into a normal lane, and then immediately back to an HOV. You MUST get into that exit lane (which you can't tell that it's an exit lane, hold that thought) in that tiny time or you're screwed, you can't get back over to make the turn.

Now, why can't you tell it's an exit lane? Because they put a giant plastic median from there till the lights where it conveniently ends. So it blocks your view, not to mention when you see it, you think "oh, that's the bus only HOV lane, the median is for the bus only lane". So you end up in the center lane, having to cut a solid white to make a right (I went back there later, and fucked up again trying to figure out where I went wrong, and then was followed by a bunch of cars who did the same thing...)

Anyways, other than that, no demerits. To those taking the test, best of luck, and watch out for it! Good luck! :cheers

I'm personally pissed off, and think it's basically a trap...but maybe I'm just whining..



 

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Don't sweat it. I made a similar mistake in Langley on my first test. The instructor thought it was a bad fail and even called the tester, but no go.
I was much wiser the next time a week later, and just ignored the command from the tester if I was not sure of where I was going. I only made turns and went where I was sure I was in the right and passed without any significant demerit.
 

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I tested in Richmond, and it was a breeze. Entire test was 18 minutes from beginning to end! I mildly cut off 2 cars, hit 120 on the 99 south, and missed a couple of shoulder checks as well. Oh, and I was almost 10 over for the entire test. Was kind of a gong show, really. Tester told me I looked confident on the bike, and moved through traffic swiftly and easily. Couple minor points, and I was golden. Granted, I'd been riding in another province for a few years before that, and did the test on my own bike.
 

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So you failed because you crossed a solid white? Why not just keep going once you realized you screwed up and then tap your helmet to say you didn't hear?
 

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The first scenario of coming from Gilbert and turning into Russ Baker is similar to Burnaby Test route. In Burnaby you come from hwy 1(going west) and take exit for Hastings. As you enter Hastings the right lane is a HOV lane, so you have to immediately move to center lane.
No you don't. Motorcycles are ok in the HOV.
 

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So you failed because you crossed a solid white? Why not just keep going once you realized you screwed up and then tap your helmet to say you didn't hear?
Guess I panicked. Wasn't really sure what to do at that point (the tester was obviously in the correct lane, so couldn't even continue straight..)so I resignedly just crossed the line and knowingly failed myself.
 

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That wouldn't fly with the tester for so many reasons.... ;)
Strange, PRS advised doing exactly that. I was under the impression they couldn't fail for not following their directions as long as your riding was clean and legal.

I had a friend take his test in the uk and he just went out for a ride, ignored all the requests for turns etc and picked his own route then eventually went back to the testing center.
 

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That Gilbert Rd to Russ Baker route failed 2/5 of the students in my riding class and it is a tricky road if you are unfamilar with Richmond. It is painful that after an almost flawless ride, that one small mistake was the one to end it all :(

Only additional headsup to add to this thread is to watch for the "HOV Ends" sign in Richmond. I don't remember if it was painted on the road or if it was an actually posted sign along Russ Baker.
 

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afaik you don't have to listen to the tester's instructions if you feel they are unsafe or are unsure of what to do. this is the same as normal driving. if you miss your opportunity to turn sdon't pull a rockford, simply continue on to the next available legal and safe opportunity to turn around and come back. they cannot fail you for not doing something you don't feel is safe but they can fail you for something you did wrong or didin't do like signal, shoulder checks, etc.

imo that's a bullshit move by the tester/icbc.
 

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afaik you don't have to listen to the tester's instructions if you feel they are unsafe or are unsure of what to do. this is the same as normal driving. if you miss your opportunity to turn sdon't pull a rockford, simply continue on to the next available legal and safe opportunity to turn around and come back. they cannot fail you for not doing something you don't feel is safe but they can fail you for something you did wrong or didin't do like signal, shoulder checks, etc.

imo that's a bullshit move by the tester/icbc.
To be perfectly honest, I doubt I would have noticed this either in normal driving, and would have just done a shoulder check and crossed the line if safe to make my turn.

So maybe it's a preemptive failing for that? :devillook

But seriously, I'm annoyed because I thought I could play the game, and do the ICBC dance well enough, but I guess they got me on that one...next time I'll just go forward and try to argue my way out if they question why I didn't follow instructions
 

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afaik you don't have to listen to the tester's instructions if you feel they are unsafe or are unsure of what to do. this is the same as normal driving. if you miss your opportunity to turn sdon't pull a rockford, simply continue on to the next available legal and safe opportunity to turn around and come back. they cannot fail you for not doing something you don't feel is safe but they can fail you for something you did wrong or didin't do like signal, shoulder checks, etc.

imo that's a bullshit move by the tester/icbc.
^what he said
 

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Strange, PRS advised doing exactly that. I was under the impression they couldn't fail for not following their directions as long as your riding was clean and legal.
Yes, the tester advised me before I took my test in Surrey to tap my helmet if I didn't hear his instructions and wanted them repeated. I'm talking about the particular instance described above, where the rider missed his opportunity to turn legally. Tapping his helmet when he reached the intersection would have been a bit obvious that he did hear the instruction, but screwed up, don't you think? Whether he/she would get a "freebie" by then proceeding straight through the intersection instead of turning would still be up to the tester. Was the test route a trap/too tricky and the tester too harsh? Maybe, but they're in charge and they make the rules whether we like it or not.

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I had a friend take his test in the uk and he just went out for a ride, ignored all the requests for turns etc and picked his own route then eventually went back to the testing center.
Heh heh....I took my first motorcycle test in England in 1964 on my 200cc Triumph Tiger Cub. The tester followed me on a Triumph Tiger 110 with clip-ons, rearsets and straight-through "silencers" (mufflers). He just told me to ride to the next town (about 5 miles) and back....he got PO'd following me after about 10 minutes, blasted past me and I didn't see him again until I got back to the testing station. I passed.

But that was back in the Jurassic Age, this is now...the ICBC testers are very much in charge and have the power to pass or fail you regardless....
To the OP...It's not the end of the world to fail first time, you've self-analyzed your error(s) and will correct them...you'll get through on your second attempt no problem at all. :thumbup
 

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wow, i thought my richmond road test route was bullshit.

im guessin that u werent supposed to follow those right turn directions unless u knew the specifics of that intersection.

i ended up on the wrong side of a solid white on Ewan ave. Had to stop , signal, shoulder check, back on the road across the solid white.

thought i was failed fer sure, but the tester informed me at the end that it was an "error in road markings" and was thus not my fault.
 

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You made me go look..... :D
First off, it's a bus lane, not an HOV lane. Here's the sign right on the corner as you're turning from Gilbert onto Russ Baker Way.



Secondly, I watched for the turnoff to get into the right turn lane for the next intersection and there's no doubt about it....it's a really shitty move to put into a learner's road test and is quite a trap. However, like anything else, you'll know better next time. It's a very good "heads up" to anyone taking their test in Richmond in future.
 

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Next time just tap the shit outta your helmet and pretend like you didn't know what was going on. Might get out of it lol.
 
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