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Kawi ZX-6R model history anybody?

Andybody having a link to, or can provide, model history of the Kawi ZX-6R?

I am having a hard time finding one on the net... which surprises me a hell lot 'cause I thought Kawi forums should have stickies for that.

Basically I want to know what was changed in what year, differences, spec, etc.

THANKS VERY MUCH IN ADVANCE!!!
 

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Thanks Lyzic. btw kawasaki.com (and .ca for that matter) does not have _model history_.

Well I am interested in the more recent models (2000+), specifically I want a 636.

wiki says the following (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_Ninja_ZX-6R):

"...In 2003, a major redesign and an all new 636cc engine saw the ZX-6R take firm stand against its other Japanese rivals. ... In 2005, Kawasaki again revamped the ZX-6R with new styling such as an undertail exhaust and unprecedented power output."

Is that about correct? So basically for the North American market, in 2003 the 636 was introduced (along with face lift I assume) and in 2005 there were some more changes.

Since 2003 was the "first year" of the huge change, would the 2003 ZX-6R be more problematic? You know, usually the first year when a new line-up of car is introduced, it's usually very "buggy".
 

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03/04 are identical. They *may* have slightly different springs front and back but essentially identical. Pretty bulletproof despite being a Kawi. No major service issues like the Honda CCT's or Yami's 2nd gear problem.
05/06 identical again. You're right, undertail and style changes.

03 I've ridden and it's quite nice. Hurts my neck but that's age creeping up. It's amazing what 36cc will do for you. Sprung kinda stiff but it's a race bike for the street. Actually I have 636 suspension on my Zed right now and it works much better!
 

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Well I am looking at a few '03... some of them are around 25000KM. Some are 15000KM or even less. Of course price reflects the milage. Does milage matter, or how the bike was maintained/service/used/abused is more important? Is there a certain milage that once a bike has reached is considered "old"? Any "golden" milage that the bike displays the optimum performance?

I've been to http://www.kawiforums.com/forum/ but i probably didn't look hard enough..... will try again...
 

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Does milage matter, or how the bike was maintained/service/used/abused is more important? Is there a certain milage that once a bike has reached is considered "old"? Any "golden" milage that the bike displays the optimum performance?
The way the bike was maintained is definately way more important than the mileage...especially when you're talking about a difference of only about 10,000kms.

Look for detailed service records from the owner (oil changes & valve adjustments done on time, reciepts for any parts or labour they had to pay for)...if they keep that kind of stuff around, then you know the owner is a real stickler for having the bike running in tip-top shape.
 

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new bikes are designed to run many K's before being classed as old but its all dependant on servicing. used to be that 40,000K's was considered alot in a sport bike but now that's only the 2nd valve clearence interval.
 

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I have a 03 636 and I have to say it is an awsome ride, I have riden my friend ZX6D 1990 and the suspension was WAY to soft for my liking
but the 636s suspension is really nice and stiff its great imo.

and it has EFI which is a huge bonus no freaking carbs to deal with.
 

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Well I am considering a trade-in with a dealership... will the dealer be able to prove how well (or ill) maintained this bike's 27,000KM have been?

This is the bike I am considering: http://www.buysell.com/advertisers/burnaby_kawasaki/pictures.asp?id=52236482

It's got a few mods: Micron oval high mount exhaust , Hyper pro steering damper and fender eliminator kit. I have no idea if those are good mods or not... when it comes to used bikes, are clean/stock bikes more desirable or are mods considered as "value add-ons"? Do mods necessarily indicate that the previous owner beat on the bike?

For $7000-$7500 a quick browse on BCSB tells me that for the same money I can get a '03 636 at anywhere from sub-1000KM(!!!) to 15,000KM of milage. Of course dealership needs to make money and I am spending more at the cost of convenience and saved time. However I just want to know if this 27,000KM may not be a biggie ASSUMING this bike was well taken care of, or I am really better off going through private sale and get one with less milage. For example, maybe a major service will follow very soon after 27,000KM, things like that...

10,000KM isn't considered "a lot" for bikes? Do they make much difference in price?

For the extra money that I have to spend by going through a dealer, other than the saved time and convenience, what else can I be sure of from buying this bike from them? That any previous problems this bike may have had are fixed? Dealer will show me the full ICBC claim history?

Is the dealer obligated to tell me all problems this bike has had? including if it's dropped?

When the dealer buys in this bike, could ther mechanic tell if the bike was beat on hard or not? Even if they could tell, could they have done anything about it? Would the dealer reflect the price according to the condition of the bike (been beat on hard or not)?

Well of course even going through private sales I couldn't tell if a bike is beat on hard or not by looking at it, but by going through a dealer can I be assured that if it was, then the bike will be fixed up or the price will be reflected?

Or.... are the "damages" done to a bike by beating hard on it "perminant"?


Sorry for the many questions because I am having a panic attack now. Please help ASAP because this deal could go down this Saturday! :D Thanks in advance...


AND..... anything else that I didn't consider? Any boobytraps and pitfalls?
 

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It's got a few mods: Micron oval high mount exhaust , Hyper pro steering damper and fender eliminator kit. I have no idea if those are good mods or not...

Good reasonably priced mods

when it comes to used bikes, are clean/stock bikes more desirable or are mods considered as "value add-ons"?

Depends on you the buyer. You like the mods that are already on the bike, then its a good thing. They do litle to nothing to increase the value of the bike.

Do mods necessarily indicate that the previous owner beat on the bike?

No

For $7000-$7500 a quick browse on BCSB tells me that for the same money I can get a '03 636 at anywhere from sub-1000KM(!!!) to 15,000KM of milage.

Yes, you probably can get an '03 for $7-8,000 with less mileage. But think of mileage this way. You do one medium length ride each week for 500kms, plus a couple evening rides at 100kms each. Factor in 6 months riding season each year and you get roughly 18,000kms a year.

Of course dealership needs to make money and I am spending more at the cost of convenience and saved time. However I just want to know if this 27,000KM may not be a biggie ASSUMING this bike was well taken care of, or I am really better off going through private sale and get one with less milage. For example, maybe a major service will follow very soon after 27,000KM, things like that...

27,000kms should be no concern at all if the nike was maintained. I've owned a 636 and they are tough bikes. Even beaten on the hold up really well.

10,000KM isn't considered "a lot" for bikes? Do they make much difference in price?

For the extra money that I have to spend by going through a dealer, other than the saved time and convenience, what else can I be sure of from buying this bike from them? That any previous problems this bike may have had are fixed? Dealer will show me the full ICBC claim history?

Dealer is not obligated to show you shit. It is your responsibility to investigate the bike to a degree that you are comfortable with.

Is the dealer obligated to tell me all problems this bike has had? including if it's dropped?

Nope. Neither is a private seller.

When the dealer buys in this bike, could ther mechanic tell if the bike was beat on hard or not?

Yes. Will they tell you is another question.

Even if they could tell, could they have done anything about it? Would the dealer reflect the price according to the condition of the bike (been beat on hard or not)?

You will never know.

Well of course even going through private sales I couldn't tell if a bike is beat on hard or not by looking at it, but by going through a dealer can I be assured that if it was, then the bike will be fixed up or the price will be reflected?

Nope.

Or.... are the "damages" done to a bike by beating hard on it "perminant"?

You will never know unless you have your own mechanic stripping the bike down and looking inside. Sorry dude, harsh answers but its reality.

The only security you have is dealing with a trusted dealer, and perhaps with a salesperson that someone you trust referred you to. Thats about as close as you will get to a guarantee.
 

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Thanks for the reply!!! Don't worry I need FACTS even though they are harsh reality 'cause I need to make an intelligent decision soon...

_As far as I know_ car dealers are required by law to show customers the full ICBC claim history of a used car, and I assume the same goes to bike dealers. Is that not true?

Keep the comments, tips, or suggestions coming... I need every single one of them!!!
 

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take it to a shop,get it fully inspeted with a compression and leakdown,check plugs for oil burning etc..make sure its test ridden as well to check for tranny issues.it'll cost more but worth it.its fairly easy to tell if there in bad accidents.keep in mind anything can be replaced.tires,chain sprockets.the higher the mileage the more likely parts need replacing soon.

if stuffs like chain has been replaced ask the mechanic about the quality of the parts too.

you could go on really.franks right,the higher the mileage the more likely yer gonna spend that extra money ya saved on parts and labour alot sooner then the low mileage bike.

john

good luck

i havent seen to many issues with 636's.
 

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Burnaby Kawasaki is big on customer satisfaction. I recommend them without hesitation, and have been going there for almost 15 years as a bike owner. More as a bike drooler. Trevor and or Brian won't jerk you around with a wreck, or with price.
 

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With dealers there's usually a short warranty period. But make it a point to ask about it. It ain't like on the cartoons where the car coughs to a rattly halt just as you leave the driveway and when you turn back there's just sage brushes blowing in the wind on an empty lot.
 

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Hm thanks for the tip... I bet it's a 30-day warrenty (probably just like used car dealership). Though I really doubt anything would go wrong in a month... but doesn't hurt to have I suppose.


(keem 'em coming! :D)
 

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The mechanics at BK are good guys too. Manny is a good guy that wouldn't screw someone over, same for Trevor and Brian
 

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Just a quick clarification: I am not asking if BK is trustworthy or not, and I am not doubting their trustworthiness (I gotta say this before I get into any trouble!!!) I've bought all my gears and stuff from them and they are really nice and great to deal with. Thanks for the guys who vouch for them... my gut feeling tells me that they are good and honest as well. It's nice to know that my instinct is correct :)

(keep 'em coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
 
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