Interesting new item from Victoria coroner

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canuck

Discussion Starter · Oct 2, 2006

Victoria coroner recommends tougher training requirements for motorcycles
Oct, 02 2006 - 8:30 AM

VICTORIA/CKNW(AM980) - A Victoria coroner has recommended tougher training requirements and a limit on the power of bike that a novice motorcyclist is permitted to ride.
This comes as the result of an inquiry into the death of 21 year old Corey Lodge, whose Suzuki racing model crashed on the Malahat Highway, just one day after he obtained a motorcycle learner's permit.

A witness estimated the bike's speed at 200 kilometres an hour when it left the road.
Coroner Beth Larcombe suggests novice motorcyclists be limited to bikes with engines no bigger than 600 cc's and that they be required to take a driving theory and practical course, before going on the road to practice.

That's the training standard already being used in Quebec.

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Spike

· #2 · Oct 2, 2006

Because a 600RR wouldn't be able to do 200km/h, of course. Idiots.

Maybe they should require you to drive a cruiser for the first two years. Then you can learn all about maintenance as well as learning how to ride slow.

Tengu

· #3 · Oct 2, 2006

Spike said:
Maybe they should require you to drive a cruiser for the first two years. Then you can learn all about maintenance as well as learning how to ride slow.

Thats it, all new riders must own a Harley.

KDawg

· #4 · Oct 2, 2006

It's a good theory, and would probably eliminate some of the risky riders. But you can take the tests and courses, and get a 600cc bike and still go 200km and crash the bike.

Madman

· #5 · Oct 2, 2006

Not sure graduated licensing or a 600cc limit would have had any impact in this circumstance. The course and the practice requirements I'd recommend though.

Can't beat Darwinism.

canuck

Discussion Starter · #6 · Oct 2, 2006

I think a better way might be a horsepower restriction. That is the method in other countries(Euroland)

canuck

Discussion Starter · #7 · Oct 2, 2006

Also horsepower restrictions would force the manufacturers to bring in cool smaller bikes !!!!

miraclejoe

· #8 · Oct 2, 2006

England is very much a "nanny" state.

You can't legislate against stupidity, crazyness and recklesness.

canuck

Discussion Starter · #9 · Oct 2, 2006

miraclejoe said:
England is very much a "nanny" state.

You can't legislate against stupidity, crazyness and recklesness.

Although I agree with you, that won't stop them from trying.....

Brian5477

· #10 · Oct 2, 2006 (Edited)

Don't think legislation is going to help.
Granted taking a course and riding a smaller bike is going to teach someone the safe way to ride. But, if someone wants to see how fast a bike can go on the Malahat, they are going to do it regardless of the training they have had or the size of the bike they are riding.
Small displacement bikes can also kill you, when you hit a rock wall. :rider

dewey

· #11 · Oct 2, 2006

KDawg said:
It's a good theory, and would probably eliminate some of the risky riders. But you can take the tests and courses, and get a 600cc bike and still go 200km and crash the bike.

It's a tough call. In a way the suggested legislation mirrors exactly what most people on this site tell a newbie. Take a course and start on a smaller bike. So what's wrong with legislation than if it saves a few lives? Should people be free to make stupid choices and put their own lives at risk?

It's a tough call....over legislating is never a solution but perhaps tougher licensing and mandatory training would be a great thing for the community.

BMR

· #12 · Oct 2, 2006

I wouldn't nit pick over the cc max at this point....it's just an idea, that if implemented, could be around 400 cc at that time.

Harps

· #13 · Oct 2, 2006

Yeah, yeah, yeah....200kmh is the same on a 600 as it is on a 1000. BUT, as fast as the 600s are, you can still 'get away' with making more mistakes on a ZX-6R than you can on a ZX-10R.

I think it would be a step in the right direction, although ultimately a 400cc limit (say, for your first 12 months of riding) would be ideal.

But will it ever happen in North America? Nope.

TrueLies

· #14 · Oct 2, 2006

miraclejoe said:
England is very much a "nanny" state.

You can't legislate against stupidity, crazyness and recklesness.

It pains me to agree with you.

I hear too many stories of this type. <paraphrase> I was a total jackass when I was 18... blah blah. That's why the government should bring in new rules for the current crop of young people. <end paraphrase>

Well, I wasn't a total idiot when I was 18. And I don't feel it's fair for all 18-to-25-year-olds to be saddled with rules for the actions of a few. I wasn't on the verge of killing myself on my first bike. What does that make me? No better or worse than average. Force me to ride a 250cc for a year? That must be a KAWI conspiracy to sell more JUNK. Kidding :laughing

TrueLies

· #15 · Oct 2, 2006 (Edited)

Harps said:
Yeah, yeah, yeah....200kmh is the same on a 600 as it is on a 1000. BUT, as fast as the 600s are, you can still 'get away' with making more mistakes on a ZX-6R than you can on a ZX-10R.

I think it would be a step in the right direction, although ultimately a 400cc limit (say, for your first 12 months of riding) would be ideal.

But will it ever happen in North America? Nope.

I am happy about that. There's a lot of things going on in Europe that I wouldn't want to see here.

This story is a bit sketchy. For all we know, it was a GS550 with barely 50 HP.

dizzy

· #16 · Oct 2, 2006

TrueLies said:
This story is a bit sketchy. For all we know, it was a GS550 with barely 50 HP.

it was posted here last year onthis thread

gixxerboygenius

· #17 · Oct 2, 2006

it is a step in the right direction for sure. of course a 600 can do 200kph, just won't do it as easily as a litre bike.

slam

· #18 · Oct 2, 2006

power to weight ratio based on factory specifications might be most useful if actually using criteria to determine limitations.

bluenote

· #19 · Oct 2, 2006

This isn't a bad idea if you ask me.

Personally I learned on an old old 400 (way back in the day) and frankly if I would have had anything bigger/faster it's a lot more likely I wouldn't be here to tell about it... having said that I'm leary of "catch-all 'common-sense'" solutions..

Cory

lizard928s

· #20 · Oct 3, 2006

I honestly wouldnt like to see a law like this passed,
I feel that it should be the responsibility of those closest to us to prevent us from doing something stupid, like having a litre bike for the first ride.

that being said though, some find this to be a very brutal approach to life and how things are dealt with, but I feel that there should be no restrictions put on it and let nature take its due course. Humans have no real preditors, we are the only creater like that really, so we need things like litre bikes to weed out the stupid/weak.

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