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You can say whatever you like.
Someone can have an obnoxious bike and ride it around quietly, we get that. They can all argue that despite their bike has the capacity to be loud, it was not being ridden in that manner.
Apparently an argument that should stand up without prosecution in your world. Are we going to tie up the process in a he said she said because you claim that while it's possible, it wasn't how it was operated?
This guy was given a ticket because he was making too much noise. Who gives a shit about the technical babble about this or that... we can all claim we had a bike capable of making noise and not riding it that way.
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I agree that there is definitely a problem with loud exhaust pipes. There is a line that shouldn't be cross and hence would not be tolerated. This problem needs to be solved. However, just coming up with something that is expedient but at the expense of others is not something I would support. We need competent people to come up with a solution that can both solve the problem effectively and without taking away people's freedom or enjoyment unnecessarily. Air bags was a safety device that emerged even though it was quite technically and economically challenging. There were many other alternatives tried before that. But with the human factor also taken into account, the air bag was hard to beat, and it was pursued and won out in the end.
With those loud pipes on the mere act of starting the bike is already "using the gun to commit the crime", not to mention even normal operation of the motorcycle. What exactly is your point, that there's actually someone out there who installs a screaming eagle on a Harley then rides around in such a way that they are no louder than stock? You're kidding right?
Funny you mentioned this.
I don't know if you had the experience of hearing the exhaust note of a stock Bandit 1250S. Quiet would be an understatement. However, I even find this exhaust too loud for my liking. I am not one who happens to like loud exhaust noise.
An example of what crosses the line for me are bikers/drivers (both custom cruisers and other vehicles with loud pipes) who would open up the throttle across Cambie Bridge. There would be so many, many people they would be offending in one twist/jab. This is a really, really stupid and rude thing to do. Startling others is another one. This is just inviting backlash from the masses.
A while back someone moved into a house behind mine who happened to ride a Fat Boy with open pipes, I believe. He only stayed there for less than a couple of years just to renovate and flip.
Other neighbourhood is fairly quiet. And this is one of the reasons why I like it here. The neighbours do not really tolerate anything obnoxiously loud here.
However, as it turns out, the Fat Boy was more tolerable than I expected. The owner/rider was very respectful. Of course we can hear it, including starting it up. However, he was careful not to cross "the line". It was obvious to me he tried hard not to disturb the neighbourhood unnecessarily. And I didn't hear about any neighbours taking action.
There is another bike owner on my block, and someone across the street just bought one. My bikes are the quietest around here I believe. However, although the other bikes stand out when it comes to exhaust note loudness, no one is complaining.
I also know about another neighbourhood that is like this one. The owner is a son of a family that grew up in that neighbourhood. However, he respectfully keeps things quiet enough so the neighbours don't complain. I know someone who lives a few house away. One time, when I first heard of the signature rumbling going by, I made a comment to this person I was visiting that this rider is certainly trying hard not to disturb the neighbours. And the person replied that they knew the family of this rider, and they have no problems with the rider nor the noise.
There are also parties held in our area from time to time. And you would think that the neighbours will call in the police since they would call them in for much lesser things. But no. The parties held around here don't cross "that line". It is disturbing but not overly so, and they only happen rarely, ie. the weekend after the last day of the school year.
To coexist in some resemblance of harmony, we really need to consider the concept of give and take. My muffler so happens to have developed a hole. So it got louder. I bought the replacement parts already but I haven't replaced it yet. But clearly it is louder than my bikes. However, no one has complained yet.
You essentially stated that once they ban one thing, they'll reach for the next, and the next, and the next. Hence the fallacy. If that were the case guns would be illegal, the long-gun registry would be in full effect rather than scrapped etc. (this is just following off your gun comments).
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I'm afraid that is not the logic I was talking about at all. However, others got it.
Here's a hint.
The O.P.'s first post stated as follows:
Some of you have rightly observed I embarassed myself fighting the charge. I didn't fight the charge to save money, I fought it because I was charged for something I did not do (noisy operation) and the charge carries penalty points that I believe (and so should you) should be reserved for risk related vehicle operation. I did not get charged for loud pipes, rather noisy operation... there's a difference. For the record, I don't care about the money. It cost me a hell of a lot more than the fine to fight the charge.
