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Been a long time since I have posted here but was wondering what everyone's thoughts on these two units would be? Pro's, con's to both etc. I have always just used earbuds for music and never used any comms when on my bike. I am planning on doing a few group rides this summer so I was wondering what everyone else is using. I have heard the Cardo Slim is the way to go as the price is the same give or take $10. I am leaning towards the Cardo just wanted peoples input.

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swapped from Sena to Cardo and will never use another sena unit again. Cardo is way fucking superior. That said, these things do not play well together. If you friends that you will connect with have Cardo, then go Cardo. If your friends are on Sena, get them to switch to Cardo.
 

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swapped from Sena to Cardo and will never use another sena unit again. Cardo is way fucking superior. That said, these things do not play well together. If you friends that you will connect with have Cardo, then go Cardo. If your friends are on Sena, get them to switch to Cardo.
Awesome thank you!! I heard they struggle working together but I want something that just works. Appreciate the info.
 

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swapped from Sena to Cardo and will never use another sena unit again. Cardo is way fucking superior. That said, these things do not play well together. If you friends that you will connect with have Cardo, then go Cardo. If your friends are on Sena, get them to switch to Cardo.
i've heard this as well.. unfortunately getting others to switch from SENA is an uphill battle.

In my case I chose to go with a Schuberth Helmet and the new SC2 integrated comm. units are being shipped out, I believe the 1st round
of pre-release units have already been sent to its owners. Its a system made by Sena in conjunction with Schueberth via use of the S20
chipset / architecture. I have 3 to 4 riding friends and they all use a Sena system. They've seemed happy with the units and though i'm
sure there's always improvements going about which makes others stand out, i dont think tossing 'em into the bin is a viable solution :D

i just went on Cardo's website hoping to find they've got examples on how to fit onto a Schuberth.

Schuberth is not even listed under helmet compatibility!!

so, uhhm... integrated comms. direct from Sena specifically for my helmet (which is compatible with all my friends')
or fvck around to no end trying to fit a square peg on a round hole :laughing

and none of my friends will switch to Cardo :coffee

dont play well as in it's a pain in the ass or.. just doesnt work?
agreed, need way more details.. hopefully non-biased
 

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i've heard this as well.. unfortunately getting others to switch from SENA is an uphill battle.

In my case I chose to go with a Schuberth Helmet and the new SC2 integrated comm. units are being shipped out, I believe the 1st round
of pre-release units have already been sent to its owners. Its a system made by Sena in conjunction with Schueberth via use of the S20
chipset / architecture. I have 3 to 4 riding friends and they all use a Sena system. They've seemed happy with the units and though i'm
sure there's always improvements going about which makes others stand out, i dont think tossing 'em into the bin is a viable solution :D

i just went on Cardo's website hoping to find they've got examples on how to fit onto a Schuberth.

Schuberth is not even listed under helmet compatibility!!

so, uhhm... integrated comms. direct from Sena specifically for my helmet (which is compatible with all my friends')
or fvck around to no end trying to fit a square peg on a round hole :laughing

and none of my friends will switch to Cardo :coffee
LOL ya I don't have any friends that ride anymore so literally just me haha. Kind of a lone wolf I guess. I have been looking at these two units for a while now and everything seems to point to cardo as being more reliable but I guess it just depends if I end up riding in a group or if I continue on my own which one I would end up getting. I also could just stick to my earbuds I guess.
 

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^^

this is something that continues to perplex me in regards to these fancy comm systems..
if you dont ride with anybody, there's not much actual comms. going on is there?

Said argument is also another reason to go with the integrated system designed around my C4 Schuberth
We do find sometimes its just two of us but when i'm alone i dont want to have to deal with
'other solutions' being the speakers / mic and all wiring is already in place from the factory in my helmet.

if i'm riding alone, there's nobody to pair up with.. i'll just run my required media through the integrated setup and call it a day.
 

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Count me in as another long time Sena user who has switched to Cardo, and will likely never switch back.

and on topic, i only know of two riders who picked up the 30K, and both returned it. Both had poor battery life, and numerous other issues.
 

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interesting to hear of the problems with the 30k..

just did a little more research and it appears the SC2 Schuberth comm's units may not be available till end of year, early next.

i guess the whole 'pre-order' process did not have an actual delivery date early on, though some pages bragged about spring of this year. :(

i'll have to see how things go, i still want to stay away from an external system due to the internal visor and its adjuster's position on left side of lid.
 

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Count me in as another long time Sena user who has switched to Cardo, and will likely never switch back.

and on topic, i only know of two riders who picked up the 30K, and both returned it. Both had poor battery life, and numerous other issues.
Well I think I am going to order the Cardo Packtalk Slim Duo. That way I can have one in both my helmets. I just keep hearing all these issues with the SENA like volume cutting out, poor battery life, faulty systems in general. The Cardo has rave reviews and seems to have the better quality and the big factor is that it is actually water proof not water resistant like the SENA. The only thing is that supposedly Cardo has paired with JBL and those usits wont be available till May so I will wait till then and see what comes out I guess.
 

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swapped from Sena to Cardo and will never use another sena unit again. Cardo is way fucking superior. That said, these things do not play well together. If you friends that you will connect with have Cardo, then go Cardo. If your friends are on Sena, get them to switch to Cardo.
yup to the above. Cardo and Sena do not play well together. they can be paired, but both in phone mode, which eliminates pairing to your phone for both. ask the Bartender and I how we know...

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just chatting up with 1 of 3 or 4 friends who run SENA.

it seems her only gripe is with battery life (s10), one of our riding buddies finds the mic makes his voice sound like
he's riding in a tin-can.. I just got confirmation my best friend is running the next model up, the 20S. I will discuss
this with him. Some gripes i've heard of in the past are with pairing but both admit its a user error more than anything.

*just got off the phone with him, yes he's got the 20S SENA and is perfectly happy with it..
afaik it does what he wants which is to communicate with others in our group when riding,
mostly due to the added safety factor. He confirmed battery life is just fine. :D

looks like i'm sticking with plans to get the SC2 Schuberth dedicated system when it does come out. Talk Time of 14 hours.
 

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I'll echo SnoDragon's comments.....the new Cardo Packtalk with mesh is much better than the old BT Sena units.

It does not take much googling to find out that Sena's late to the game attempt at mesh with the 30K has been troublesome.

I'd used Sena for 10yrs and ridden tens of thousands of kms using them with riding buds, great units overall, but like all tech,
there comes a time to upgrade and the Cardo units proved the leaders in the next gen units.

This all said, the above relates specifically to my experience pairing with a group and riding with others. If you are a solo rider
and only want unit for basic phone/music, I would suggest saving your $$ and getting a more basic Sena.

If you are the last to get on board with a comm unit and your typical riding buds all have Sena with no appetite to change,
get Sena.

I use mine with groups and paired to my radar detector for in-ear notifications, works great for both and the new mesh tech
they offer is worlds better than BT in every way......seamless reconnect while riding if connection lost (100% automatic) and
once you pair with your riding buds, assuming you don't change people often, auto connect with them each time as well.

If you're a long time Sena user, like any new tech, small learning curve, but I think 5 of us upgraded from Sena to Cardo last
season and we're all starting to get the hang of it.

I did not get the smaller Slim model, bought typical Packtalk, now Bold......I wanted all the buttons and scroll wheel.
 

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I have used Sena SMH10 with a Sena BT Hub (SM10)
for more than a decade

Works perfectly with my detector into my headset,
GPS for tunes, etc

Clarity is generally more a function of microphone
placement, I have found, rather than performance
of the unit - though I am not a big fan of riding
around hearing all the chit chat...

Plenty of studies showing that being on the phone
(or radio chatting) produces the same level of
driving distraction, be it hands free, or otherwise

Battery life has never been an issue, and has lasted
fine on lots of 12+ hour days on the bike

Have also used the slimmer Sena version on ADV bikes
and those have performed the same, but with less
battery life

My detector (though still one of the best at early
detection) is getting long in the tooth and not dealing
with all the collison avoidance systems very effectively
(so many false alerts), so just looking into a different
set up - so good info :)
 

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dont play well as in it's a pain in the ass or.. just doesnt work?
If you want to pair using "universal" communications, someone has to give up the "phone" connection. that means that you cannot have your phone paired to either a Sena or a Cardo, as the universal communications uses a phone connection as universal. One of the units emulates a phone BT connection and you connect that way.

So think about that...

you bought a unit so you can have phone/music/maps in your ears. bonus is that you can talk to other riders. want to talk to someone on a different system? No problem, give up phone calls/music/maps and you can talk to them. What is the range of BT to a phone? Well, typically a phone is a BT class 2 device. You get 10M or 33'. How many bikes do you know that maintain a 33' distance when riding? Yeah, I'd go on a limb and call that "just doesn't work", but hey, if you had someone on the back seat, then it will work just fine between the 2 different units.

Sena communications with more than 2 units are subject to the following:
Noisy microphones
popcorn/sizzling/popping sounds at random intervals in most peoples headsets (again, never with just 2 people, but increase to 3 or more and this happens)
poor distance in BC's/Washington's/Orgeon's/California's terrain. Cardo is better, but still nowhere near as advertised.
drop out of distance and have trouble reconnecting to the group. This is even more apparent when you go beyond 4 riders in the group. the 20s are supposed to handle up to 8 riders. Good luck with that.

Other Sena issues:
not waterproof. I've had "rain fade" on the 20s and on the 10 as well. Luckily, I've not fried a unit in the rain, but have friends who did. No warranty service from Sena either.

Look, bottom line is that you need to keep in a group with the same units. When you finally get tired of shit not working on a Sena, then switch to Cardo and wonder why you didn't do it earlier. If you are just a single rider and will likely not connect to others, then any unit will work just fine. I found my Sena 20s to be fantastic with just me and music, or when paired to another 20s user (just 2 of us), the communications were great. Very HD quality and little to no noise. Again, go beyond just 2 people and the communications were shite. Pair a 10 and a 20 together...still shit, even with 2, but bearable. With the Cardo units, in the beginning we would ask "Is anyone still there?" because there was just complete silence, no mic noise, nothing. Then someone would say "yup still here" and we'd all go off on a tangent about how quiet these units are, etc.
 

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If you are the last to get on board with a comm unit and your typical riding buds all have Sena with no appetite to change,
get Sena.
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i'm the last of my group to get an actual comm' unit.. most of the time it will be just me and one other rider communicating
and even more often will be just me with my media devices like gps etc as its pissing me off the GPS goes into this
weird zoom function and then i miss the turns ahead.. sucks not having audio feedback.

i hear all the concerns regarding mic placement, that makes sense.

i'm bypassing any issues which may affect units while raining, as its an integrated unit for me.

i'm sure there will be a learning curve and more than one firmware upgrade involved once it comes in :thumbup

but yeah, i dont see others in my group picking up a Cardo any time soon.. not a chance
 

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i'm the last of my group to get an actual comm' unit.. most of the time it will be just me and one other rider communicating
and even more often will be just me with my media devices like gps etc as its pissing me off the GPS goes into this
weird zoom function and then i miss the turns ahead.. sucks not having audio feedback.

i hear all the concerns regarding mic placement, that makes sense.

i'm bypassing any issues which may affect units while raining, as its an integrated unit for me.

i'm sure there will be a learning curve and more than one firmware upgrade involved once it comes in :thumbup

but yeah, i dont see others in my group picking up a Cardo any time soon.. not a chance
Lucky, sounds like any brand/model would suffice for you which makes things easy.
 

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Lucky, sounds like any brand/model would suffice for you which makes things easy.
Technically you're right I wouldnt care one way or another except i'm tied to friends / pops who currently use SENA.

that being said, i just watched a full review comparison between both systems.. honestly, the dude is
trying way to hard to confuse buyers into not purchasing one period.. ie, not a very helpful review..

these days it seems everybody is happy to ramble on about nothing. The whole wet weather thing is hilarious.
so none of the devices have actually burned due to being exposed to bad weather, but Cardo fanbois are all
happy to brag theirs carries a 'warranty' for it..

uhmm.. if its not an issue to begin with? who gives a rats arse; back to square one.. oh wait, only one actually fits my helmet. :coffee

It sucks that the Schuberth/Sena units dont use the regular Sena firmware upgrades, and get completely unique versions.
Hopefully their updates get more frequent.
well, I dont know if this will be the case on the SC2.. But yes it sounds like they have their own firmware and Sena
was slow to the punch on the SC1. Lots of reading on the subject pointed to a long wait for firmware updates
to be released originally, and of course some of the early adopters were bitching about it to no end.

I hope, since its gonna take some time for the new units to be available that firmware will be up to snuff off the bat, but i'm not betting on it.

I would assume there will be some sort of update required even once the units arrive.

I do hope now that Sena itself is on the 30k that they've figured out any issues with the 20S Chipset.
 
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