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Ffs. I'm so stupid I feel like slapping myself!
hence why i responded with a stupid remark.. BOLD NEW GRAPHICS (the actual term) has been around for years
and is directly related to how manufacturers slap STICKERS on their motorcycles claiming they are better than last
year's models. But you need to understand, the BNG are slapped on the plastics, metal etc covering the outside of the bike.

It might only be “bold new graphics” for these 2019 model year bikes, but the fresh liveries are very fetching.




a firmware upgrade is a complete RE-WRITE of the software which runs the actual electronics device. the term BNG does not apply.

I dont know ONE engine builder who paints the internals of their engines. :D

was i being a dick with my response? YES.. did it get the point across? perhaps not :(
 

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A MAJOR firmware upgrade across all devices usually improves functionality, sometimes dramatically.
noise cancellation software, improvement in signal reception, system behavior improvements, etc .

when it comes to communication devices, again, we have found sometimes a simple firmware upgrade does the trick.
Dude, seriously, you are very late to the game. Most of us have owned this shit for years. I'm going on 10 years with Sena stuff and believe me, the firmware updates do fucking nothing to address those concerns. I know you think you know, but in reality, you are just speaking out of your ass about this. Yes, REPUTABLE companies do improve things with firmware. Sena's track record shows that they do not work on the major flaws at all.
 

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a firmware upgrade is a complete RE-WRITE of the software which runs the actual electronics device.
jesus christ, you really have no fucking clue about what you're talking about.

With over a decade in software development, i can tell you that this simply is not the fucking case.
These are incremental changes with feature additions and changes. The code base is staying almost entirely the same. We're talking 1% changes of core code.
 

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jesus christ, you really have no fucking clue about what you're talking about.

With over a decade in software development, i can tell you that this simply is not the fucking case.
These are incremental changes with feature additions and changes. The code base is staying almost entirely the same. We're talking 1% changes of core code.
1% would be max I'd guess.
 

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So now I have to figure this out. It's been hinted that I may be getting a set of comms for Father's Day next month. At the same time good friends who we ride with most often if we ride with others just told us they're going to order a set of senas, not even sure what model they're thinking yet. Sooo. Do I convince them to go with cardos? *Or do we just go with senas if that's what they order? *I'm having a hard time with this. *I've never listened to music while riding and don't really know if I would. So I don't know if something more than a basic model has any value to me. But if I was going to listen to music than I'm curious if the jbl cardos would be worth the upgrade?

I lost my wife on our first outing of the year this past week so now she's really wanting us to get setup. Usually we have no issue as I'll wait at turns for her, and we were doing a small local loop that we've done countless times before. But it seems I underestimated my wife's ability to miss a turn/forget a route. I'm guessing that with the amount of distance I put between us at times that the cardo units that seamlessly re pair will be worth it. I never had to deal with that ever when I had my senas for treework as mostly it was fairly close quarters, just a noisy environment.*
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I'm seeing my best pricing I can find on f9. Anyone have any other suggestions?*
 

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Yes, REPUTABLE companies do improve things with firmware.
thats where the post should have ended.. and as far as I was gonna go..

from what i've seen on forums and spoken with some folks, the little issues most love to bitch about have been addressed at one point or another.

This explains sooooooooo much.
put your junk away, nobody cares..

i guess i must deal with proper engineers then because for the most part a major firmware upgrade in our business
does address 'major' issues while adding functionality, Specially when dealing with communication issues,. enabling previously unavailable features, etc.

well aware the over all actual coding work is less than it seems..



but hey, next time you get stuck in an elevator or cant gain access to any one of a thousand buildings in town.. dont bother calling. :laughing
 

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At the same time good friends who we ride with most often if we ride with others just told us they're going to order a set of senas, Do I convince them to go with cardos? *Or do we just go with senas if that's what they order? I've never listened to music while riding and don't really know if I would. But if I was going to listen to music than I'm curious if the jbl cardos would be worth the upgrade?

I'm guessing that with the amount of distance I put between us at times that the cardo units that seamlessly re pair will be worth it.
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I'm seeing my best pricing I can find on f9. Anyone have any other suggestions?*
Ok, well "What your riding buddies use" should be the #1 criteria for choosing which system you use. Regardless of what some may say, SENA/Cardo do not play well together. I think it would be worth a chat with them to see if they have a preference or not. If they don't, then I would choose Cardo.

Music is secondary, bike to bike communications is the priority. Being able to re-connect without having to touch a button is VERY beneficial. I'm not sure how old you are, or what your hearing is like, but I personally cannot do speakers. I just cannot hear anything over 100km/hr. I just have to use custom molded in-ear speakers.

Best price does appear to be Fortnine.

If all you want is good solid communications on a budget, buy a case of Sena SMH10's. You can find them for about $100 used. But, make sure the base unit has the boom mic setup not the wired button mic, Big difference.
 

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Thanks for that input. My hearing is marginal at best my wife would say but checks out a-ok through my work for a 44 year old. But. My bike is loud too with the Coffman shorty on it. And my helmet is crappy and noisy. So I'm guessing that music will be more like a little background noise, maybe enjoyable for lower speeds.*

I have one question about the cardos. I don't think I'd spring for the jbl speakers from what I've researched but I'm curious too what the difference is between the packtalk and the packtalk bold if anyone has any insight on that?
 

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Thanks for that input. My hearing is marginal at best my wife would say but checks out a-ok through my work for a 44 year old. But. My bike is loud too with the Coffman shorty on it. And my helmet is crappy and noisy. So I'm guessing that music will be more like a little background noise, maybe enjoyable for lower speeds.*

I have one question about the cardos. I don't think I'd spring for the jbl speakers from what I've researched but I'm curious too what the difference is between the packtalk and the packtalk bold if anyone has any insight on that?
Packtalk bold has a better speech recognition engine. If you don't plan on using voice commands a lot (I don't), the normal packtalk is good enough. As CDG had mentioned, in-ear monitors are the way to go for hearing protection and audio fidelity, no need for JBL's.
 

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Thanks for that input. My hearing is marginal at best my wife would say but checks out a-ok through my work for a 44 year old. But. My bike is loud too with the Coffman shorty on it. And my helmet is crappy and noisy. So I'm guessing that music will be more like a little background noise, maybe enjoyable for lower speeds.*

I have one question about the cardos. I don't think I'd spring for the jbl speakers from what I've researched but I'm curious too what the difference is between the packtalk and the packtalk bold if anyone has any insight on that?

I personally use foam earplugs with helmet speakers, did for 10yrs of Sena and do now with Cardo Pactalk (non Bold), works perfect, but I guess varies based
on hearing and most importantly, EXACT speaker placement in helmet. No experience with new JBL speakers and not sure if just hype for music fidelity or if they
offer any substantially quantifiable advantage in regular chat volume/clarity.....guessing not.

One thing most who ride in any groups can attest to, when you start to use a comm device more and more and realize the many benefits, it's actually hard to ride
with your buds without, total necessity for me, love it and have gone to the length in the past of even having a backup device, like it that much.
 

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Cool. I think I'm going to push the cardo units, see if our friends will go that way. For me the real deal breaker is the seamless re-pairing. I feel like that alone is going to be worth it's weight in gold for my wife and I when we ride together which is most of our riding. Also if I'm following correctly it's not that pricey to get a second pair of mounts with speakers and mic so I could set up our dirt helmets too.*

Thanks again for the input. *
 

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Well I ordered the scala packtalk non bolds. We'll see how it pans out.*
The fact that you are using it with wife, the auto pairing in mesh advantage is a real treat.

Basically hit power and away you go, imagine it will work quite well for you guys.
 

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Well I ordered the scala packtalk non bolds. We'll see how it pans out.*
Congrats on the smart move! You should be quite happy with that purchase. Luckily you will not have to find out what a load of crap the Sena devices are.
 

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Thanks. I did as previously mentioned in this thread own some smh10's wired into hardhats and earmuffs for treework and found them to work well. But never used any of the newer sena stuff.*

Just got them yesterday and the install into our helmets was simple enough. Tried them out in the living room and so far so good. The wife was somewhat confused/concerned with the the streaming volume changes in correlation with the conversation. I think it's great to be able to talk and still hear the music. I'm looking forward to road testing them over the next few days. Pretty crappy weather on the forecast here and I'm working the whole long weekend too though so may not happen for a day or two. I didn't buy these for their waterproofness lol. I hate riding in the rain. *While I never thought much about riding with music I'm really looking forward to it now. *I am slightly worried about the 'psych' factor as I like harder tunes. Even in my 40's I don't need any extra encouragement lol. But still I think it's going to be enjoyable.*

I am concerned a bit with the mic sensitivity and hope that road, bike, or other noise doesn't constantly activate the comms, but I haven't actually used them on the road yet so not sure if that will be a actual issue or not. By the lack of mention of it here and elsewhere I've researched I'm guessing not, but just in the living room it seemed very easy to activate the comms with ambient noise?

*Oddly enough our friends have 'researched ' a bunch and are going with senas, still not sure I think a older cheaper model like the 10's. Soooo, I pushed as much as I could but at some point people have to make their own mistakes right? **
 

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Excellent, good to know there's adjustment. I did download the app but must have missed that option somehow. I'll look again. But I figured I'd ride with it some first as it is and then fine tune it.*

I've never ridden with a phone mounted to my handlebar or anything either. I'm figuring that it may become convenient though now with this packtalk. *Curious somewhat if that's legal with all the cellphone laws here in BC now? *I'm assuming so but figured I'd ask. It seems my luck is running out this year. I got a fix it ticket for no front plate on my truck(bought it out of Alberta five years ago and never have had a mount for one). *And have had a couple of other real close calls with disastrous fines this spring. I'll be rereading the radar detector thread as it's time to gear up a bit. I heard from a co-worker there is a zero tolerance enforcement blitz this weekend in the okanagan. *
 
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