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What CoolDaddy said.

I had a 2004 and still have my 2016. I was pointing you to a gixxer earlier in this thread.

Many will tell you its the best all round sportbike.

I love my 1000 but a hard ride tires me out reigning that beast in. A 750 has pretty much the perfect horsepower to weight ratio. You are less likely to get hurt on a 750 whereas the 200 horse 1000 will gladly fling you off the bike if you f*ckup.

I would part with my 750 knowing its going to a good home. Beautiful black/carbon.
 

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I appreciate the input. Confirms my suspicion to stay focused on a 2011+. I'm only 5'9" so possibly it'll fit me a bit better. I am concerned a tiny bit about the riding position, but not to much really. While the wife and I want to do more and more touring trips as we can I believe I may have another handful or two of years of doing those small trips on a full sportbike. At this point I probably won't do anything until spring as I'd have to ride one at this point I think before pulling the pin. And I like to really consider things before making a commitment. The 2011+ gsxr750 seems to tick all the boxes for me though. Light, powerful, lowerish insurance class, bulletproof. *I like the looks of it too as I've read a bunch that like many bikes it's a bit polarizing in the aesthetics department.*

I'm in no real way unhappy with the f4i and if I put another season on it so be it. But as I was before with my r3 I'm finding it lacking a bit in performance(yes I do feel stupid typing that, the bike does rip pretty good). So I'm at a bit of a crossroads of spending some money on brakes, gearing change, and suspension freshen up to get a little bit more performance out of the f4i or just cutting it loose and getting into something like the newer Gsxr 750.*

I've seen new they have a suggested retail of 13,199. But then I see Blackfoot in Calgary is selling 2019's for 9,999, $3200 discount. I'm assuming that's plus frt/pdi and doc fees which would tack on a chunk but still somewhat tempting over the $6000-$8500 or so I'm seeing for 2011-2017 used bikes. *I'll probably wait and see what the spring brings though.
 

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Oldgixxer. I had been reading back through this thread and had seen the suggestions of a gsxr too.*

I have no regrets on the f4i, but you were probably right.

When I've got some cash in hand and serious to lay it down I'll shoot you a pm if you're serious about possibly selling. You've got a 2016 gsxr750 if I'm reading your post right? *As mentioned I probably won't do anything until the spring, so I can torture myself all winter with the decision. I've also got another bike this year already that I'm restoring in my shop. A older 82 gs1100e. So I need to let the dust settle on that with the wife a bit still too. That's just going to be a collector plate Sunday cruiser thing though. Something to keep me out of the pool hall over the winter. *
 

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Blackfoot probably wants $1000 for freight, pdi, and docs. Thats what the lower mainland guys do. If not, its one hellava good deal! Not a bad deal at $11k either. Check with Kory at Valley Motosports in Kelowna. You might score a similar deal if they have one leftover.

Mine is a 16 but I couldn't compete with a brand new one for 10k.

Happy shopping. I'm heading out for a burn. Insurance ends tomorrow. I normally get a lot of riding in over Sept, Oct, and even into Nov. This has been the wettest, coldest fall since I've been here.
 

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hey Squisher, just a thought, but if you're gonna step up a notch, pass the F4i along to your wife. if you guys are touring together, she'll find that a LOT easier to hustle along with you, than wringing the balls off a little 300. happy wife; happy life!
 

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I would think that would be a good plan too. But my wife won't go for it. She's ridden the f4i only once and she didn't really like it. She very much prefers her bike, size and looks wise to the f4i. Her confidence and cornering ability has really improved over the last year and she is very focused on improving her riding skills and doesn't want to step up to a bike that may make her feel less confident. We are talking/looking at a ninja 400 for her at this point. But we will see what the spring brings. I'd like her to try the f4i out a few more times before deciding. A lot of our riding is local/commuting and I know she really enjoys the lightweight bike for that. We are pushing 40,000km on the 300 now and the f4i is at 47,000km. Both run flawlessly but may be time to upgrade both before we rack to many more km and tank their value. I still flip flop on keeping the f4ifor myself or not. it could only be a handful of years or so until I want something more sport/touring oriented. I've already been on the fence a bit about making that leap right now to like a fz1 or mt10 or a ninja1k etc, etc. But I just don't think I'm ready to move from a full sportsbike. The funniest time I have riding is while really hitting the twisties hard(for me) and at those times I feel I could use a more aggressive bike than the f4i.*

Decisions, decisions. I may just have to do a bunch of test riding in the spring I think. It's funny to me how there's so many different motorcycles out there, yet the 'perfect' bike for each individual is so hard to find/have. If I had my way with things I'd probably end up with a ridiculous number of bikes. One for each day of the week atleast! *
 

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the high mileage on both those bikes make it a challenge yes.. for what its worth i think less experienced riders get caught up on
low cc numbers a little too much.. Some bikes literally have 'confidence' built into 'em; even if its a larger displacement bike you
will often find they are actually much easier to ride.

the problem with small bikes as you see, is you dont want to get stuck on one, but taking baby steps to 'the top' may not always
be the best course of action. Once you've had a go around the block or two things may improve, confidence wise even if she
doesnt think thats the case at this point.

you mention the more upright rides as well, i would say there is something to be gained from seasoned riders experience, and it directly
relates to these bikes. A lot of us have found there is a fine limit to how much torture you can take when riding sportier bikes
which is purely related to where the fun stuff is for us local riders, meaning you'll often find you need to do a fair bit of slabbing
just to get to the twisties. The MT10 would be high on my list if i were 'just' coming up through the ranks. :D
 

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The big nakeds are sweet looking. Sadly, unless you can mount a windscreen on them, hanging on at speed is a bitch. They are always detuned with less than stellar suspension. The new naked h2 might be the exception.

Even the more sit up sportbikes are usually crippled power and suspension wise.

If you want the best in handling and performance nothing beats a sportbike. I've owned a lot of different bikes in my quest for the perfect ride and I keep coming back to sportbikes. Everything else is fun for awhile and then they get boring.

I'm getting pretty old and the day will come when I have to retire to a burgman or a spider. Omg shoot me now.
 

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The big nakeds are sweet looking. Sadly, unless you can mount a windscreen on them, hanging on at speed is a bitch.
there is that... a quick 10 minute check online quickly brings up PUIG touring screen efforts, doesnt look half bad.

when it comes to most bikes just about everything can be upgraded, hell most R1
owners go to town on suspension upgrades, and its the flagship sportbike for Yamaha.

i dont think the SP version of the MT-10 was released on Canada, but i'd be happy with this puppy.

2017 MT-10 SP , with a bunch of R1M goodies, inc. Öhlins Electronic Racing Suspension (ERS)..


https://www.mcnews.com.au/yamaha-mt-10-sp-gets-yzf-r1m-supersport-tech/



 

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I'm going to go against the grain of recommendations - the gsxr750 is a great bike, but you can do better for a sporty street bike. Ninja 1000. Sporty enough. About on par with the gsxr750 power wise but way more torque and shorter gearing to make it more usable and fun on the street. More upright than the committed gsxr position but not so upright to be a parachute. We had 4x Ninja 1000's in our group of 7 at one point - they're that good. Try one.
 

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I'm going to go against the grain of recommendations - the gsxr750 is a great bike, but you can do better for a sporty street bike. Ninja 1000. Sporty enough. About on par with the gsxr750 power wise but way more torque and shorter gearing to make it more usable and fun on the street. More upright than the committed gsxr position but not so upright to be a parachute. We had 4x Ninja 1000's in our group of 7 at one point - they're that good. Try one.
I forgot about those. They seem to have fallen out of favour in recent years. They are a great compromise between pure super sport and sport tourer. Hardbag kit available. Never see used ones for sale in this area. People must be hanging on to them.

Local dealer usually brings in at least one. They are not a big seller and leftovers go cheap. I missed one for 10k a couple years back.
 

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I had one for several years, great compromise bike. I did a lengthy tour through WA, OR, ID, MT and BC a few years back. Just a fantastic bike in so many ways. I'd get an aftermarket seat for it, other than that, you're good to go out of the box (apologies to the serious enthusiasts on the site)

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Lots of good recommendations and I'm not trying to knock on sport tourers or naked bikes. But for me it'll be another supersport when I upgrade again. I'm almost certain of that.*
 

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I had one for several years, great compromise bike. I did a lengthy tour through WA, OR, ID, MT and BC a few years back. Just a fantastic bike in so many ways. I'd get an aftermarket seat for it, other than that, you're good to go out of the box (apologies to the serious enthusiasts on the site)

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great bike right there! i wish i had enough money to keep one on the side.. lol
 

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I forgot about those. They seem to have fallen out of favour in recent years. They are a great compromise between pure super sport and sport tourer. Hardbag kit available. Never see used ones for sale in this area. People must be hanging on to them.

Local dealer usually brings in at least one. They are not a big seller and leftovers go cheap. I missed one for 10k a couple years back.
Superb motorcycles Never owned one, but had the chance to ride a couple (also the naked Z1000). Comfy. Nimble. Very very fast. I wouldn't comment about the suspension or brakes based on my short stints, but both seemed OK. But when I had to replace my CB1000R a couple years ago though, I went back to what I knew. (a) I'm not a fan of the Kawi styling, and (b) it stuck me as TOO fast! Like, 140 to 240 was mere seconds away. The balance between sport and touring seemed just a little tipped towards the former on this bike, for my personal tastes and uses.

Btw, I think this remains the best selling litre 'sport' bike in the UK...
 

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Lots of good recommendations and I'm not trying to knock on sport tourers or naked bikes.
But for me it'll be another supersport when I upgrade again. I'm almost certain of that.*
aye, as mentioned above its just the way things are headed for a lot of riders...
its nice to ride more relaxed bikes and actually have a look around once in a while
 

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The big nakeds are sweet looking. Sadly, unless you can mount a windscreen on them, hanging on at speed is a bitch.
true, that. but there are plenty of screens available, altho many 'naked' riders object that they ruin the looks of the bike. I've been thru screens from Skidmarx, National Cycles ( X 2 ), and now MRA - best materials and workmanship by far... German = TUV certified = impeccible, right down to all the fittings.

https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/mra-touring-windscreen-honda-cb1000r-2009-2016

works a treat... up to about 140kph...

They are always detuned with less than stellar suspension. The new naked h2 might be the exception.

Even the more sit up sportbikes are usually crippled power and suspension wise.

If you want the best in handling and performance nothing beats a sportbike. I've owned a lot of different bikes in my quest for the perfect ride and I keep coming back to sportbikes. Everything else is fun for awhile and then they get boring.

I'm getting pretty old and the day will come when I have to retire to a burgman or a spider. Omg shoot me now.
and there's a problem. most manufacturers DO back off on power for naked and more upright bikes, and maybe that's understandable, even rational. but it's a pain to have 'poorer' suspension and brakes added into the mix too! just sell us the 'full fat' versions, guys! we're not talking economy bikes here in the first place.

exceptions include KTM, Aprilia, Yamaha sorta, BMW sorta... Triumph too of course, with the Speed Triple, which is what it is, with no 'sportbike' progenitor. but generally, if you want comfort, you give up significant 'other stuff' too!


EDIT: shit! duhhh... I forgot Ducati:
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2019/10/kawasaki-u-s-releases-more-details-on-new-supercharged-z-h2/
 

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true, that. but there are plenty of screens available, altho many 'naked' riders object that they ruin the looks of the bike. I've been thru screens from Skidmarx, National Cycles ( X 2 ), and now MRA - best materials and workmanship by far... German = TUV certified = impeccible, right down to all the fittings.
weird timing, i was just looking at some of their stuff, wondered regarding quality, fitment etc.. nice :D
 

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Well I've come full circle on this almost....

I'm going to have a look Monday at a fz1 2008. If it checks out I think that will be my next ride. It's the touring edition so factory full fairing and hard saddle bags , slightly taller windscreen. That's about it for differences I think. Only cons I've really read about them are the mileage and tank size. Supposed to be on the sportier side of the sport touring equation.*

So if any of you have owned one or have thoughts on them let me know. As we've established on here I'm a budget bike shopper so won't be dropping coin on a newer bike at this point in time I think. I really gravitate towards bikes that I see as a good value proposition for what they bring to the table like my f4i has been. I think the fz1 fits that bill too.

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08 FZ1 had the 06 R1 engine if i'm not mistaken. heard lots of good things.

I wanted to get one but waited till the MT-10 was alive, unfortunately they neutered the fvck out
of the new engine in comparison to what the R1 CP4 can actually do.

i've lost touch with the older FZ1, so i cant say much in terms of reliability etc.
 
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